How ever you look at it they have strengthened more than us and thay where good to beat us last season.ill stand by what i said leigh been promoted will make things tougher on us they currently have a good squad and they will only improve this even more personally think its gonna be a battle between us leigh hull kr znd maybe salford depending on how they react to watson leaving.

Where do you get strengthening from, I don't get it. You have no idea whether these players will do a job, you're just assuming on reputation.

Ditto, you're assuming that last year has any relevance to this, it has sod all to do with it.

I find your attitude a little odd, to be honest. Why do you expect the players to perform when you've already written them off, that's the sort of defeatism we tend to take the micky out of the French for, are you French?

Truth is some fans just love the misery and the worst thing that could happen to them is if the team won something. They seem to think criticism is positive, well it rarely is and it absolutely isn't when a ball has not yet been passed.

We are a potential top-six team end of. If we fail it's because we didn't try hard enough not because we didn't have the players. We should be competing with the top teams as we were up until 2019.

Anyway, time will tell.

And the last 2 seasons we have finished second to bottom fact so no matter how you look at it we need to improve.where do i get hull kr have improved this is based on the calibre of players brought in has to those who have been released yes based on names on paper as to performces but your basing our chances on players on paper opposed to past performances (8 wins in around 40)

I am not in anyway giving criticism towards the players not in anyway in fact i hope that the likes of jordan max brad continue there recent developments and improvments and hope that the topous lynes and millers get back to the form they where in 3 to 4 years ago and feel mc and co are doing a great job in been able build a team in light of this pandemic where in.also as different to what you think i want i want nothing more than to see a successful teamout there on the pitchĺ although i do find you odd that you believe that a team that as struggled to gain a win to be able to be top 6 if not higher but the team who finished what q or 2 wins below us cant and wond wont pose a threat. . Im more than realistic and until we get through this pandemic staying in the league is my main hope anything else is a bonus after all we are having to lower our playing budget and as great as mc is hes not a ken davey

Also am i french hahah first time ive had that thrown at me born any manygates raisd and nred in this merrie city....

Errrm we finished 9th in 2019 with Hudds, KR and London all below us, the only "FACT" is you are wrong and not a supporter of Trinity

Ditto this year, yes we finished second from the bottom (just) but did it really matter when all is said and done as 2020 was not like any season I've ever known.

Did or did we not go into the game with london where a loss would or sorry could of sent us down just cos maybe a couple of other results went our way does not alter things does it
So my deluded friend fact that im not a trinity supporter is more than false i attened my first game i can remember in 1987 when we gained promotion and we beat wigan hull znd warrington in thd first few weeks i was at shefffied for first ever gzme st don vally stadium when players not involved had a foit race round the track.my happiest though was been stood on kop st ellznd rd winning yorkshire cup before the invention of sl

And what do thd record books say spose on your theory saintts shouldnt be classed as champions then as it was a wierd season.

We have won v super league opponents 8 out 39 so im been more than realistic that we we could be in a relagation battle i sincerely hope not but been realistic that doesnt make me not a fan like zn idiot seems to think or its not me putting team or players down

Firstly, I'm no friend of yours deluded or not


Secondly, we didn't lose the game so your comment means zip
Lastly, you stated it was a fact, it wasn't, you were wrong, my deluded fellow forum member

Deffo deluded no doubt about that yes i got my facts wrong im man enough to admit it it spose and yes we squeezed past london on that night

But it doesnt alter our recent record and performces are poor go ask any fans who dont follow wakey and they will have us down as chance relagation candidates.which as like some im not deluded i can live with that i do qorey what leigh can achieve weather they will or not will be there to be seen i am not having ago at any player i actually think chris and mc re doing a great job under the circumstances esp with lowest budget out there.

But i will stand by my initial post i feel leigh out of all the teams promoted are best equipped to stay in sl due to the decent squad thay have built and the finances to go out and further improve

No, because Saints had something to play for, we didn't, other than a bit of pride, which we got back to a fair degree. HTH

What finances have they built, they have been on the edge of going under for years, only Derek Beaumont keeping them afloat. However let's make this clear, Derek Beaumont is not a wealthy man in the same way as say, Ken Davy. He couldn't bankroll Leigh last time and in these days of COVID he won't this time either. I think you're a bit of fantasist.

Chriss Bretherton left ages ago by the way.

Anyone who states “a fact” that is most definitely wrong is most definitely deluded HTH

This factually accurate lifelong club supporter probably thinks Michael Carter is still the chairman as well

Completely disagree, to say his comments mean nothing because we won a game that we had to to survive is bizarre, we were one game away from relegation, whichever way you look at it or however we got there I would not like to be in that situation again!

As we have all discussed before, that stems from a number of elements but recruitment is no doubt one of them, Chester has got a couple of decisions wrong over the past couple of years (and some very good ones granted) and he got it wrong at Hull KR, we don`t have money to be thrown about which I imagine makes it all the harder but we need to get it right. I have no doubt KR will be vastly improved given Smith has the chance to build his own side, they looked a lot better as soon as he come in, IMO he is one of the best coaches in the league and that will show next season.

And that is a fact.

are you using the same keyboard as Tryscorer

Wrong, unless we'd have lost by 115 points we still wouldn't have been relegated.
However, my comment about what the poster put meaning nothing, was in relation to the "fact" that he stated it was a "fact" that we finished 2nd from bottom the last 2 seasons, which I pointed out the his "fact" wasn't a fact so his comment means nothing, however if he had put "we were 1 game away from relegation fact" I may have had a different response, even though if the other results remained the same we still wouldn't have been relegated. The stars were aligned that night and we lived to fight another day.
HTH

So you are telling me we weren't going into that game either needing a win or banking on other teams to win? Maybe my memory isn`t serving me well but that is how I remember it.

We finished in 9th on 22pts with a points difference of -115, Hudds finished in 10th on 22pts points difference -205, KR finished 11th on 20pts with -230 points difference with London on 20pt, if we'd lost London would have be 10th on 22 points and unless they had beaten us by 115 points we would have be 11th and KR bottom, those are "facts"



I'll address the "deluded" tag I've been given as I didn't really before. At no point in the last season or on this thread have I stated that we were a top 4 team, I haven't said we needent worry about Leigh (or any other team) I do think we have a task in front of us and if we play like we did for the majority of last season o right suffer a similar injury crisis to that 2019 then we will be in trouble. Just another "fact" that our fellow forum member seems to have found to be I tad innacurate

Anyone else think that Fev were hard done by here ?

Their on field performance has been as good as any other club in the Championship and they havent gone through the boom n bust that so many other clubs have.
Plus improvements to their ground etc.

I realise that they will have been marked down, due to their proximity to ourselves and Cas and realise also that they will never pull in huge crowds.
However, surely, they deserved their chance in the top flight, even if it was only for next season ?

I do to be honest, surely the proximity argument is void with the fact Leigh are a similar distance to Saints, Wigan and Warrington as Fev are to Wakefield and Cas.

Anyway,

I think what actually matters here is that we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Yes, 2019 went bad after a great start, due mainly to injuries but I accept that certain performances were unacceptable, injuries or not.

2020? As a say, apart from those teams who could actually win something, it was a total dead rubber. I accept that in that 10 game losing run, was as in 2019, there were some unacceptable team performance regardless of injuries.

Yet the previous seasons, 2016. 2017 and 2018 had seen a truly resurgent club, easily IMO the best three-season run we have ever manged in SL, in fact pretty much the only one. In that time the quality of players at the club, especially the younger ones, had improved beyond anyone's expectation, two England reps for a start and plenty of players other teams envied.

So what I don't accept is that after 18 months that is all gone. Truth is, sometimes in life you have to go backwards to go forward. For the reasons outlined we did go backwards though mostly due to plain bad luck, now hopefully we now have a chance to go forward again and why not? Very few of our players are past it, many have hardly begun, so with the odd addition, I see no reason why we can't carry on where we left off before being blighted with injuries and COVID.

As they say, it's not getting it wrong that's the problem, that happens to us all, it's how you react. So let's give the lads the chance to react before dismissing them as has been who are only fit to battle it out for the wooden spoon with Leigh. Surely as a group of fans, we have a bit more dignity and self-belief than that?.

Isn't he posing as Danny Dyer on Eastenders these days?

Let's hope some of their supporters can show a little humility this time around.

If you are alluding to Leigh, I will show my utmost respect.