Don't know how I got 5, I had counted all them except Sarginson who I'd forgotten he was born in Aus. His southern accent confused me.

If you'd have said this straight away I doubt nobody would disagree that much but the first post seemed like you were just calling out Trinity for having there non fed trained/quota spots filled, ftr we've had the same guys all this year that will be here next year as it is now.

Does Hamlin count as a non-fed trained player?

Come off it, that sentence alone totally negates your original and clearly ludicrous post - put it any way you want those players were not created in Wigan, or the north west, or the north or even England - so just apologise for the original needles slur and we can all move on.

Indeed. They ALL have a right to play here. Not just the French.
And I think Miller could qualify for England on the Rangi rule if he wanted to. Doesn't make him English.

This issue is massive. Service area was fantastic when I was playing junior rugby. Scholarships give kids a tracksuit and dreams of stardom far too young.

As much as I like your posts though Rogues about academies etc, I think constantly coming on other clubs forums slating their youth products etc isn't good. The clubs are playing within the rules and I think they are just the right amount without forcing teams to play kids that will ultimately dilute the competition. Wakey have made great progress bringing young talent through in my opinion

Will be interesting to see how many kids come through now Wane has gone at Wigan

I dont think that Wane leaving will affect their junior set up.
They have plenty of resource to hoover up as much young talent as they want and the systems that they have in place will ensure continuity "post Wane".
Much like the Wakefield area, Wigan is a Rugby League place and even with Wigan Athletic on the scent, Wigan is still very much a rugby league town.
They have the huge advantage of being able to throw "substantial" money at up and coming players and this alone will ensure that they are not short of juniors "coming through their system".

I suppose not playing by the rules, allegedly

, gives clubs like Wigan an even better chance of snapping up who they want , their scouts come to watch West Yorkshire youngsters just to rub their arrogance in a bit more.

Wigan have scouts who are based in Yorkshire, Cumberland, Darn Sarf etc etc. They have recently signed about six lads from Wales.
What's the problem with that?

They know if they're good enough they'll get a chance, then it's up to them. I think it's something like fifty whilst Wane has been coach. It's not always about the money, the likes on Burgess, Manfredi, Sutton, Davies, Marshall etc etc were on very low salaries at the start of their careers.

I'll go back to my original point. We need more young players coming through, having seven quota players (or non fed) whichever way you want it is too many.
Having no reserve grade is a BIG problem. Kids are leaving the game in droves because the pathway to 1st team is limited.

End of sermon.

ps there are a few people on here who know me personally and they will know what I said was NOT aimed solely at Wakefield but at the game as a whole. I've had this discussion with them in the Connie Club many times over the years.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Wigan have scouts who are based in Yorkshire, Cumberland, Darn Sarf etc etc. They have recently signed about six lads from Wales. What's the problem with that? They know if they're good enough they'll get a chance, then it's up to them. I think it's something like fifty whilst Wane has been coach. It's not always about the money, the likes on Burgess, Manfredi, Sutton, Davies, Marshall etc etc were on very low salaries at the start of their careers. I'll go back to my original point. We need more young players coming through, having seven quota players (or non fed) whichever way you want it is too many. Having no reserve grade is a BIG problem. Kids are leaving the game in droves because the pathway to 1st team is limited. End of sermon. ps there are a few people on here who know me personally and they will know what I said was NOT aimed solely at Wakefield but at the game as a whole. I've had this discussion with them in the Connie Club many times over the years.'" when you get it shoved down your throat by the media on how Wigan produce the young talent it does kind of grate on you knowing that some talent has been enticed due to the money from else where, I'll give a good example Callum Field came to Stanley Rangers cracking player who came to us from a Selby team as he needed to play in a higher league, reading his profile there's no info to his background only Wigan St Pats ARLFC has a mention, so has he spent some time playing for their first team or are trying to hide his Wakefield background https://www.wiganwarriors.com/teams/fir ... llum-field I don't doubt that you have a great set up which is ideal start for a young career and I wish all young ones the best the can achieve but there has to be some sort of recognition to where they do start their career

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Wigan have scouts who are based in Yorkshire, Cumberland, Darn Sarf etc etc. They have recently signed about six lads from Wales. What's the problem with that? They know if they're good enough they'll get a chance, then it's up to them. I think it's something like fifty whilst Wane has been coach. It's not always about the money, the likes on Burgess, Manfredi, Sutton, Davies, Marshall etc etc were on very low salaries at the start of their careers. I'll go back to my original point. We need more young players coming through, having seven quota players (or non fed) whichever way you want it is too many. Having no reserve grade is a BIG problem. Kids are leaving the game in droves because the pathway to 1st team is limited. End of sermon. ps there are a few people on here who know me personally and they will know what I said was NOT aimed solely at Wakefield but at the game as a whole. I've had this discussion with them in the Connie Club many times over the years.'" when you get it shoved down your throat by the media on how Wigan produce the young talent it does kind of grate on you knowing that some talent has been enticed due to the money from else where, I'll give a good example Callum Field came to Stanley Rangers cracking player who came to us from a Selby team as he needed to play in a higher league, reading his profile there's no info to his background only Wigan St Pats ARLFC has a mention, so has he spent some time playing for their first team or are trying to hide his Wakefield background https://www.wiganwarriors.com/teams/fir ... llum-field I don't doubt that you have a great set up which is ideal start for a young career and I wish all young ones the best the can achieve but there has to be some sort of recognition to where they do start their career

I've seen this firsthand - mysterious figure in a Wigan overcoat lurking in the bushes at a junior game, then approaching parents in the car park; that said, Wigan were not the only example.

I guess there's always a way to make this look legit - but it seems at least morally dubious - as does later white-washing that players origins and claiming them as a youth product of your own club.

Yorkshire based Wigan scout watching young Yorkshire players and engaging with their parents. Isn't that what he's supposed to do?

I do take Snowies point that junior clubs don't always get the recognition they deserve and I think there should be some form of financial compensation for those clubs IF a player progresses to first team and even more if they gain representative honours.

Engaging with parents

if only they did just that , believe that and you’ll believe anything.

they must be on a massive bonus to bring the players in BLM

Hull have recently signed Connor Wynne from the City of Hull Academy this year, if you are quoting examples.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, as I'm only the chairman of a community club, but aren't they not suppose to make approaches through parents, doesn't a club have to express an interest in a junior player through the RFL?

You always have to go through the coaches before parents when showing interest in players then when a club is making a scholarship offer they must submit it to the RFL who then let the players know, also there is a date when this can be done and not before but all your big clubs abide by this anyway

you’d be surprised at the tactics that they get up to for getting their man.