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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"It was mentioned on face book yesterday, don't know if its still there. Being reported now that Rocky has been suspended by Leigh over the same incident.'"
Hampshire? he's been named in the Leigh squad for tomorrow's game at Wigan.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"I dunno about the whole dropping Miller thing. I think he gives us an extra dimension when attacking and knows how to find the try line.
Agree with the point about him being more effective on a dry track but still a bit too early to be making changes to key positions at this point. We battled hard against a very physical Hull side and had the better of Hudds for much of that game - we could easily be on 4 points by now.'"
He does add an extra dimension definitely - but not in the mud and that's what it's like at the moment.
Often surprises me how many Aussies manage to get to grips with conditions they have little experience of which is a testament to them but Miller for me isn't one of them - for me he's a sunny day player and I have no issue with that so long as it's a sunny day when he plays.
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| Quote ="Wildmoggy"The main real flaw in your argument is, can you 'prove' that for certain dropping Miller benefits the team and makes us win games and not suffer a couple of narrow defeats as we have done so far?! You can't know for sure that if Williams & Finn started at halfback in the two losses, then one or both of those games the result would had been different?? Seems to me that Miller is still an easy 'scapegoat' figure for some yes we all have our favourites, and maybe would slightly disagree with team selection, that's the nature of the beast. If say in April and beyond when it does (hopefully) warm up and dry up, and we lose certain games, then it can't be Millers' fault because he has the required underfoot conditions you say he needs, and therefore the team needs to succeed??!!
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It's no more or less flawed than if you said dropping him wouldn't make a difference. It's an opinion based on what I see, clearly I can't prove or disprove it only Chester can do that.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Hampshire? he's been named in the Leigh squad for tomorrow's game at Wigan.'"
Yep, apologies I quoted it from something on another forum.
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| Quote ="vastman"I have been saying this for the last two years - Miller has no RL brain at all and I don't think he ever will. He's fantastic to watch on a dry pitch when the packs on top and he can occasionally unlock a defence with some individual stuff but he offers nothing to his team mates.
A warning to Chester who I like - drop Miller for now - put Finn and Williams together - if you don''t it will be the first thing Kear does when he takes over from you in the next eight weeks - mark my words.
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Not often I agree with you Vasty but I'm 100% with you on all of this.
Kear has done it before.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"Not often I agree with you Vasty but I'm 100% with you on all of this.
Kear has done it before.'"
Just out of interest, what has Kear done before at Wakefield that Chester hasn't?
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| Made top 5 or wsas it 6?
Beat Cas home and away?
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| Made us play five drives and a klck
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| Saved us from relegation.
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| Quote ="alegend"Made us play five drives and a klck'"
Come on, he had a playing budget of about £2 during the season when he left and we were left playing a very basic brand of RL.
Is it reasonable to use that season as a barometer of his coaching ability.
How about using the "great escape" season.
Winning 4/6 games to keep the club in the top flight and that was in a season that we had won about 6 games all season, up to Kear arriving.
It wasn't 5 drives and a kick that season, well not for the last 6 games.
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| Quote ="alegend"Made us play five drives and a klck'"
The only time we played 5 drives and a Kick under kear was in 2011 when we had a squad put together on a shoe string. Even when we did play it, it was actually very effective and we won more games that season than most thought we would.
I dont think Kear is a God like person like some people do but I think he was an excellent coach for us but when he left I think his cycle had come to an end and it was his time to go.
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| Quote ="vastman"It's no more or less flawed than if you said dropping him wouldn't make a difference. It's an opinion based on what I see, clearly I can't prove or disprove it only Chester can do that.'"
I assume your tongue is firmly in your cheek as re. picking him on sunny days?! Or else if it clouds up at ten to 3 you're pretty much f****d aren't you?! I'm sure Fifita would like a bit of sun on his back and firmer grounds, as would Johnstone, Kyle Wood, pretty much anyone who's fleet of foot and elusive etc? I didn't see Luke Gale having too many problems last night running at full pelt, side stepping, supporting, in sticky conditions?? At the end of the day, the season runs from Feb to October encompassing all weather conditions, yes Miller probably is more effective on firmer grounds, but like I've said, he's not the only one. Basically he's now the Mark Conway of this bunch, if the team isn't winning it's more than likely his fault according to most.
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| Ok I will lay of Kear wish people would lay of Miller, the grounds are soft but still does a lot of work defending
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Made top 5 or wsas it 6?
Beat Cas home and away?
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You can't beat having a bit of the Simpsons mentality
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| Quote ="poplar cats alive"Saved us from relegation.'"
Well thankfully Chester hasn't had to achieve that yet, you must have been ecstatic with Chester's efforts last season by easily surpassing your expectations of saving us from relegation.
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| Didn't Miller score a hat-trick a couple of seasons back in our first home game of the season against Hull KR? In the middle of February? Obviously he's a better player in the dry but then so are probably 90% of the players in superleague. It's not that he can't do it, more that he just isn't and it's for that reason that Finn might be a better option alongside Williams right now. Unlikely to happen though.
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| Quote ="chissitt"You can't beat having a bit of the Simpsons mentality
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DOH!
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| sorry dont quiet get the meaning of your reference to mark conway wild moggy, but having coached mark from 16 yrs old to turning pro and for 4 yrs in the same period the yorkshire u17s i can say no one came near to him for skill and flair,trying to work out your meaning with him and miller, can i say in my oppinion there is no comparison
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| Quote ="try scorer"sorry dont quiet get the meaning of your reference to mark conway wild moggy, but having coached mark from 16 yrs old to turning pro and for 4 yrs in the same period the yorkshire u17s i can say no one came near to him for skill and flair,trying to work out your meaning with him and miller, can i say in my oppinion there is no comparison'"
I think he's saying that Miller is now the default go-to player to blame if we lose, like Mark Conway was.
Its neither fair nor accurate to blame a loss on one player, but that's the way it goes on the walk home down Sugar lane.
M Conway could do no wrong in my eyes, even when they made him play 6 and put Billy or Nige at 7, he always did his job well, but like Miller he's an easier target than the entire team.
I can't think of a better more consistent 7 we've had since.
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| Thanks for clearing that up for me upandunder, its true the players with flair and try to do summat differant are the ones who get the stick and while i agree you need the hard working straight uo and downners its those flair players that win you tight games
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