What do you expect, absentee landlord exploiting just off the boat immigrants. As someone has said they have more on their minds and no idea what's expected of them. Better question is why don't WMDC send a road cleaner up there once in a while - or someone from the environmental health go and enforce the law - that is after all what we pay our rates for.

Finally if it offends people that much there are many others ways to approach the ground, Belly might give you a lift in his helicopter.

Just merely pointing out to a previous poster you dont have to be a snob to know its a dump on that side of the ground, i dont care where you come from there is no excuse for the state it is in. Whoever is to blame and yes i would blame the landlords, i stayed with a friend for 1 night there many years ago and i have to say it was a dirty smelly damp slum. WMDC/ enviromental health should be doing more along with the residents.

Whose fault was it that it was a dirty smelly damp slum, the landlord maybe, or the council perhaps for their reluctance to empty the bins on time, don't suppose it was your mates fault but yet your quick to blame the local inhabitants what are probably clueless as to what their entitlements are and their basic human rights, it's no wonder the council are reluctant to send street cleaners down there if their attitude is owt like yours, on the plus side at least you have managed to identify the problem without exactly pin pointing the culprits


Not sure why you have to walk up St Catherine's street anyway as the turnstile at the top has been closed for a year or two now, next time you and snowie and trb walk up there to inspect it close one eye then you'll only see half the problem, and don't forget to put your mask on.
Oh and fwiw I walk up there most match days and manage to overcome your pregidice to your problem and it's yet to affect my watching the game.

Wow there cowboy! I said it was a run-down area, which it is, that may be attributable to a whole raft of issues for which I am not willing to get drawn into and I am not casting any aspertions on anyone! A Trustee suggested this could be improved alongside the ground on a wider scheme basis - nowt wrong with idea - but it met with no favour! That is all!

Well first of all I'm not a cowboy so lets not make it personal, It's not the first time you've commented on what you term run down areas' that is Agbrigg and Belle Vue, there are other areas' of the city also deprived of improvement which you fail to mention, This area we talk of has been run down for years now and I'm inclined to put our failure to attract investment in the club down to bad management rather than the run down state of the area, so I can't see why you feel the need to labour the point.

I haven't laboured the point, you have! It was a general comment and the relevance is to our stadium, so why would I comment on other areas?

I agree in part about the management, over decades, but without support from council there is little they could have done more.

The reality is that it doesn't help attract corporate clients in to the facilities, and we need them, just as any other similar sports club does! This also applies to the car parking, in that whilst we are happy with on street parking and walking to the ground, a sponsor, paying perhaps thousands, would deem parking spaces adjacent to the ground as a minimum requirement. This has, and does, cause problems for the club, especially now with the SB car park out of action!

To rise to any challenge you must understand the nature of that challenge and its implications. To look at BV as the end result requires consideration of future needs and aspirations for everyone. Some love BV as it is, some, well we know what some think, but we can't afford to alienate part of our customer base through what facilities we have / don't have and the way we present them. BV is a massive challenge, and one with a whole heap of barriers in the way as mentioned above somewhere. I'm not saying they can't be met, but we don't have the mechanism to do so at this time, which is why NM came about in the first place!

wow talk about a complete over reaction. You go watch the BBC news tonight to find out what your opinion is and come back again.

I thought you was alright even though you do have lots of splinters in your backside but what a pile of claptrap.

Been walking to the ground from St.Catherines street end for most of the 30 years I have been to Trin.
The problem with rubbish was long before the properties were rented out.
Also if you walk down the backs, it's got a bit better, no mattresses propped up against walls and down the bottom end, the pavement and walls are pretty new.

Pointless sending road cleaners down St Catherine St Vastman because they couldn't do their job owing to all the parked cars preventing the gutters from being cleaned.

As others have already stated its a complex issue when areas of the community become really run down which in turn affects businesses such as Trinity. I'm not sure it's about a little bit of enforcement, do those that live in the area complain to the council or their local councillors about these issues, probably not.

I've only followed Trinity for about 35 years and in my time it's always been the same on the walk to the ground, not great but I've walked through rougher areas in my time and it's the experience of watching Trinity that sadly I look forward to.

It probably needs a Community Safety partnership approach between representatives of the local community, the club, the supporters, other local businesses, the local M P, councillors and the council itself. But is the desire there for all these partners to want to affect change?

We've gone a long way from Vasty's original post.
Let's leave the Lonely Planet guide to Fev alone for a while.

So basically its ok for you to bump your gums and nobody else.

you know I'm not a snob, but there a difference to see household litter roaming the streets than in a bin just pure lazy to me

now its funny you said that because the day I was walking the street they was on the street day or too later and still the same

At the risk of falling foul of poptart's general warning, let me just say that a couple of weeks before Xmas you commented on a thread about the state of decay in Bellevue and Agbrigg, you have now reinforced the point in this thread making the same accusations, which suggests to me a labouring of the point. I myself don't have a point to make but but imo think you are wrong in your condemnation of the area just to highlight what you believe is in the best interest of the club to move to NM.

I don't like making comparisons but will make an exception here, I'm sure you've been to that paradise known as Headingley, their none parking facilities are far worse than ours and their street parking is on a much bigger scale than ours, the area is famous for the hundreds and hundreds of students all packed liked sardines into bedsits and multi occupancy flats, you know when you come across them because every house has the trade mark mattress fridge freezer or 3 piece sweet adorning the front garden yet only one dustbin for a building with up to half a dozen flats in it resulting in household waste piled on top of it, having said all that I'll make my point which is the one I made to you earlier Leeds Rhino's have no problem at all in finding sponsorship, corporate or any other despite all it's anti social problems, could that be I wonder because of the way the club has been professionally handled, not to mention the success it's had on the field, I don't have a problem with you wanting a new ground at NM, but please base your argument on it's merits.

I think you'll find that there is a "sponsors" car park with ample match day parking for that elite bunch at headingley

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How is it snobbery to state facts. It is a fact that Agbrigg is a dump, there's no shying away from it. There are several other places just as bad - Knottingley, Seacroft, and Featherstone isn't that much better.

As for the stadium, I went in Sunday but I felt no envy. Location wise it is awful - there being only one main road out of it. The pitch is a on a slope. The turnstiles were farcical. They may have more seats than Us buts that's about it - and they nicked them from a run down football club.

I tend to agree with Willzay - they've done a decent job of cobbling the place together, but it's hardly paradise; it serves their purpose in terms of where they are now, but it's still a dump. We should aspire to much more.

With regard to the deprivation of Agbrigg - never fear - the Tories announced a few days ago that Lord Heseltine is to be brought back from the dead to lead a massive project to knock down and rebuild all the grotty housing estates in England; I'm sure it won't only focus on high rise estates in London and the South East, so we in the provinces will definitely get our fair share...

You call it condemning, I call it commenting. It is what it is, however it got that way.

As for NM, I have said as much as I can on here.

And Leeds Rhinos have 2 reasonable car parks, albeit Joe Bloggs here has to walk half a mile!

I don't have a problem with staying at BV - done properly - but I believe a new stadium would be easier and cheaper to build and would provide more commercial opportunities.

To be fair to Featherstone Rovers, I'm not sure they can make great changes to the location of the stadium. Most sporting clubs in the north of England were originally build in "working class areas". Some have moved out of town to sparkly new locations but those that keep their old stadium often have back to backs leading up to them.

I like the stadium itself. The stands are good and clean and comfy. The access road is a single road but short of buying and knocking down the terrace houses at the end of Post office Road they can't help that.

I think the point Vasty was making was that they've made the best of what they have, and we have not done that so much. Shame and Envy are clearly strong words to describe that but at the end of the day, when i say in my comfortable seat watching rugby league, I had to think that I would prefer to watch Wakefield in something similar, at our location.
If it was my choice we wouldn't be located in Agbrigg, but to move away leaves history behind that is important to some people.

Wigan left a huge amount of history behind when they left Central Park. They seem ok in their new place. We'll be ok in ours when we get it.

Back on track,the friendly at Fev tomorrow called off to give pitch hopefully time to recover for Sudays game against Salford.

Wigan left a huge amount of history behind when they left Central Park. They seem ok in their new place. We'll be ok in ours when we get it.'"

That's a good point I always miss as I live Newmarket side of town.
I'm not bothered about it being near Cas though.

Wigans ground is still in the middle of wigan and the town is wigan rl mad. Newmarket is in the middle of fields in no man's land. Like it or not Newmarket will kill this club, the stadium will be a dead duck sat there mostly empty and a generation of fans will be lost to put club. I suggest TRB you can't say anything cause there's nothing to say. If the club as such a cast iron case against the council or developer's going against the government's decision then why don't we go to review. Your mate TRB had a stadium out on plate at a meeting with councillor croxhall and turned it down with a What's in it for me. Throughout the fight over the last 10 15 20 years for a new ground we stay at bv while other clubs plan and deliver at Dewsbury, fev, batley. The biggest problem now TRB is we have no assets to bargain with and who s faults that your mates again. Il put this to you Newmarket will not get built and it's not the council's fault or the developers or swags efforts, the blame is firmly with all the bad management the club has had prior to MC taking over.

With all due respect, I think the site at NM gets a bad press. It may appear isolated and 'in the middle of a field' but that's because it's on the edge/inside greenbelt where building is not allowed. It is also not within the City boundaries as Stanley had its own council prior to 1974, like Cas.
It would be interesting to compare how many current Trin Fans live within 1-2 miles of the two sites.
Stanley/Outwood is now continuous housing, they've done nothing but build there for 40 years and the population has exploded. It is also relatively affluent due to being commuter belt for Leeds, so there are a lot of newcomers who are potential new fans (although many are already Rhinos). There is also the new link road being built from Wakefield through Eastmoor and Stanley Ferry to the M62 along with lots more housing.
The painful truth is that within a few decades Wakefield will be no more than a suburb of 'Greater Leeds'. It's already started.
It won't be easy and it will be very different, particularly the matchday experience. The change will need to be managed well, but IMO it is the future. A purpose built 21st century stadium; nostalgia won't pay the bills. It would be a different kind of stadium, much easier to use for a variety of purposes, all year round, especially so close to the M62/M1. I could become a centre of sporting excellence as well as conference and meeting facilities.
Change is difficult and, personally, I would rather stay at BV . I hate sitting down to watch rugby and I don't need fancy toilets. However, if the club is to survive and thrive over the next 50 years, staying at BV will make it a much bigger challenge. Unless we come into a lot of money (probably more than it would cost to build NM) BV is not the answer.