You have missed the point.

This is nothing to do with the "shall we stay at BV" option in which YC give the TRUST - NOT THE CLUB the ground and a pot full of cash to do it up in return for abandoning NM. This is a measure where YC buy BV and add it to their portfolio and then rent it at a lower rate to THE CLUB not THE TRUST as a short term measure to allegedly help all concerned with the club and NM.

YC are not giving us anything and if they actually get BV cheap will have profited again and have us over yet another barrel if they so wished.

I'm not against the stay at BV option with the right deal - however this offer is not that.

What you need to get your head around is that although the club is part of the negotiations for NM it is but a bit player. NM could be built and if he wished Carter could reject the move. Ditto the Trust could decide against making Trinity an actor tenant if they wished. Both unlikely but that's the reality.

I'l say it again, NM and or redeveloping BV though connected are not the same issue as moving to Dewsbury or this latest offer from YC.

You must also consider that Yorkcourt could buy the ground and just develop it themselves. We will then have no ground and no possibility of getting a ground because they could ague that we are being unreasonable by rejecting their proposal.
I note MC is to put his side on Monday which I will read with interest even though I think it is too late he should have done it when asked by WE. I would also point out that we cannot take legal action because we cannot afford to do so therefore our threats are hollow.

This has been clumsily handled by the Club and the Trust in my view, resulting in them being comprehensively outmanoeuvred by WMDC and YCP, who have no doubt colluded to create the public perception that with a workable solution on the table, the club are being intransigent by refusing to cooperate - and they've succeeded in doing so.

The only way that MC can salvage this is to have a full expose of the *whole* story in the media - I'd start with the RL media and work towards getting Look North to pick it up; sometimes, the best form of defence is attack and in this instance, I'd suggest that upping the ante is probably a good strategy. What have we got to lose? With the combined expertise of WMDC, YCP and now Rodney Walker working against us, it's probably reasonable to go all in and hope to get ourselves back in the game with the weight of public opinion behind us.

Us being who?

I get the point but I don't wish to be lumped in with MC anymore than I did Glover. MC has his own agenda, what it is or whether it's good or bad I don't know but I bet it's not like mine or yours. I certainly don't consider him one of us any more than Glover. That's not necessarily a bad thing, Ted was one of us and that IMHO never really helped.

We the fans probably share very similar ideals even if expressed in radically different ways - so I'd say all including MC are conspiring against us not just the obvious baddies - that's assuming you believe there is a a conspiracy.

That's the sad thing about this - you have people in SWAG and many others who have no agenda and nothing to gain other than a future for the club trying to create a dialogue and a common belief with a group of people we don't really trust and who it has to be said don't trust us (SWAG) de facto the fans voice. We are at the mercy of these people as they manoeuvre to get their share. I would particularly like to single out WMDC and to a lesser degree YC and the Express - however all hats being worn are various shades of grey. We the fans (SWAG) don't even get a hat.

That's a very good point - I guess there is no 'us' in the sense that I meant it and you've described that very well; nobody with any bargaining power is representing what the fans want so as it stands, we're just bystanders to the manoeuvrings of a group of people with very different agendas.

It's a right old mess - I can't predict how it will turn out, but it seems abundantly clear that we, the fans, will not get what we want, despite the best efforts of some hardworking people.

I still hope we will simply because those guys don't ever give in (wish they were players).

However I can't see it being any time soon and way off what YC/WMDC promised. The law is still on our side but we all know how slow that can be.

I'm personally not broken yet but frankly it's made supporting the club and the city a joyless task in recent years and that's not including this years on field debacle

I would like to know how many cosy lunch dates it took for the 3 wise monkeys (Box, Mackie & Walker) to dream this up.

Yes and maybe the conservative mp that is having meetings with yorkcourt, help out?? Sounds just up their street...

Didn't MC state that he was going to be honest and open when he took over the reins at Wakefield TRINITY: there again didn't Andrew Glover?
By the way, for anyone who wants to take it up, Private Eye magazine runs a column each Issue entitled "Rotten Boroughs" in which wrong doings and malpractices by Local Authorities are highlighted and investigated!!!

Given what has been in the press does Carter actually want to stay at Belle Vue? I remember a quote in an article when he announced the notice had been given saying that in his opinion BV just didn't work anymore as a venue because of the state of it. Would he be happier playing elsewhere and without the hassle and expense? Articles like the one in the express this week doesn't help him if so.

I think it As become a case of "I will show them all" by quitting Beele Vue and Wakefield. I fear the outcome will be that we end up with nothing and are sharing the ground at Dewsbury. The problem is I doubt many will follow him especially if we have a season like this one. He cannot ask if the public of Wakefield want a team because he will of ensured that they don't have one.
I wait with interest to read his reasons why he feels the offer is not acceptable that is of course if he chooses to cover this in his reply.

Regarding ,The Offer,I take it you refer to the one from YC to BOI Scarlet.Take it from me that it's embarassing low.As someone in the know told me on Friday,if some one offered £10 for your house would you sell it?....I suppose it says it all.

It's all hearsay at the moment. Put the figures into the public domain and let everyone make their own conclusion. If it's such a ridiculous offer then it's hardly going to be commercially sensitive.

Look at it from Mr Carter's perspective. If YC buy Belle Vue from BOI with Mackie's track record of dodgy deals would you feel happy if you were in charge of Wakefield Trinity. It wouldn't be long before Box facilitated planning permission for housing on Belle Vue site to keep his mate at YC happy.

I can't comment in too much detail at this moment - but expecte to hear more from us later next week.
For now, and without wishing to blow smoke, I would suggest you look at Vastmans comments. Despite me not having spoken to him for several weeks he has just about got this situation nailed.
The 'offer' was agreed as confidential. I'm not sure who's telling who outside of the club and the Trust, but it won't be me.
The purpose of the Trust is to oversee the development of a Community Stadium for the long term benefit of Wakefield. Whatever the club decide in the interim is their own business decision, albeit they have kept us fully abreast of the situation.
That there have been high level negotiations which, theoretically could be positive is not in dispute, but it is generally believed that the any press release would be premature at this time.
I am sorry that I cannot say more at this time, and I look forward to Micheals comments tomorrow, but I'm sure most of you will appreciate that this is at a very delicate position and I do not wish to add to any issues we already have. As I say, there will be more later this week.

If the offer is from YCP to BoI why are Wakefield Trinity The Supporters Trust or The stadium Trust bound by some unenforceable confidentiality clause.

If the Stadium Trust isn't involved in the offer why is Sir Rodney Walker commenting and why is his stance the opposite of The Chairmans.

Is it possible that YCP are chancing their arm with a low offer or that their offer is a lowball opener as part of a protracted negotiation. If so then it's clever and not derisory as the lower they can get the purchase price then the lower the commercial rent is likely to be.

As TRB has said, due to confidentiallity issues we cannot comment at the moment.

I believe the Club may be making a statement tomorrow and there is a Stadium Trust Board Meeting on Wednesday when there may be further information that can be disclosed.

Michael Carter must be licking his lips at the prospect of Colin Mackie being his landlord...

So.....

Club statement anyone?

I only read a poster on this forum said there was to be a statement, I've heard nothing from the Club.

I do know that there is a Trust Board Meeting on Wednesday though.

fair enough.

Things do seem to be in a state if disarray with SRW, Chairman, Supporters Trust Members and Stadium Trust Trustees all singing from different hymn books and not knowing what each other is saying.

I believe it says on his Twitter account that he would be making a statement on Minday which I presume is Monday.

Sounds like the French policeman on Allo Allo......statement on Minday

I suppose he did not say which Minday.