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| Or regarding point 1, they could theoretically develop up to the 60,000 sqm required on the part that remain green belt and already permitted under the planning permission then leave it at that. Then come renewal time miraculously there are a whole new set of plans for the rest of the now reclassified area that can be passed without any problems. Bingo, area fully developed. (Don't actually know if that can be done but nothing surprises me anymore).
I don't necessarily buy into the they'll definately develop it all because there is money to be made line to be honest. Having to shell out 12 million quid for a stadium would take a rather large chunk out of their profits. I believe they'll only build it all without a stadium there and will play the long game to do so and time is something we don't have a lot of. The council i think know this and are scared to death that they will pull the project meaning they miss their government targets and lose further funding which it can ill afford. Hence their reluctence to lean on them. For me the real villans are Yorkcourt who have us and the council over a barrel. They never had any intention of building a stadium and never will do.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"Or regarding point 1, they could theoretically develop up to the 60,000 sqm required on the part that remain green belt and already permitted under the planning permission then leave it at that. Then come renewal time miraculously there are a whole new set of plans for the rest of the now reclassified area that can be passed without any problems. Bingo, area fully developed. (Don't actually know if that can be done but nothing surprises me anymore).
I don't necessarily buy into the they'll definately develop it all because there is money to be made line to be honest. Having to shell out 12 million quid for a stadium would take a rather large chunk out of their profits. I believe they'll only build it all without a stadium there and will play the long game to do so and time is something we don't have a lot of. The council i think know this and are scared to death that they will pull the project meaning they miss their government targets and lose further funding which it can ill afford. Hence their reluctence to lean on them. For me the real villans are Yorkcourt who have us and the council over a barrel. They never had any intention of building a stadium and never will do.'"
I think we all can voice opinions of what might and may not happen with and future development and those opiniond do and will differ. We can all voice opinions who are the villains in all this but I think one thing everyone is agreed on and that is who are the victims and that is the people of Wakefield.
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| Quote ="deeHell"So the alternative is keep voting Labour under any circumstances
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Don't vote for the evil Labour party lads n lasses - Vote Conservative - the will build you a stadium no problem.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Don't vote for the evil Labour party lads n lasses - Vote Conservative - the will build you a stadium no problem.'"
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"I think we all can voice opinions of what might and may not happen with and future development and those opiniond do and will differ. We can all voice opinions who are the villains in all this but I think one thing everyone is agreed on and that is who are the victims and that is the people of Wakefield.'"
Indeed they are, although i sometimes wonder just how many of the wider general public actually give a toss these days.
As for the political side of it, they are all as bad as each other. If any of them told me today was monday i'd check the calender to make sure.
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| How about some headline catching banners for the Magic Weekend game?
PETER BOX: CAS 4EVA, WAKEFIELD (THE CITY & TRINITY) NEVER
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Don't vote for the evil Labour party lads n lasses - Vote Conservative - the will build you a stadium no problem.'"
Not quite what I said but feel free to miss quote me.
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| Quote ="deeHell"Not quite what I said but feel free to miss quote me.'"
Don't forget. Tigerade isn't a troll. Honest.
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| TROLERADE!
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| #fightfornewmarket banners are a must can we get onto the club to make them?
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| Eerrrrm no! The last thing the club needs is to pay out for more stuff.
If the fans are as passionate as implied by the posts on here, we can pay for our own banners.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"#fightfornewmarket banners are a must can we get onto the club to make them?'"
Yes why not, mr carter could maybe pay a few people to walk around town with them too.
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| I'd contribute towards some professionally made banners but they'd have to be a bit more to the point, regarding the performance of Box and his Cronies, than Fight for Newmarket.
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| Quote ="deeHell"So the alternative is keep voting Labour under any circumstances
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The alternative is to get organised and form some sort of pressure group with a strategy to target those key organisations responsible for this mess to try and resolve it to get a stadium for the future of the club.
Labour/Conservative/Liberal/UKIP they are all as bad as each other. A visit to the ballot box in a 'first past the post' electoral system to vote Con by several hundred disgruntled Trinity supporters will have no impact on the stadium issue in my opinion.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"The alternative is to get organised and form some sort of pressure group with a strategy to target those key organisations responsible for this mess to try and resolve it to get a stadium for the future of the club.
Labour/Conservative/Liberal/UKIP they are all as bad as each other. A visit to the ballot box in a 'first past the post' electoral system to vote Con by several hundred disgruntled Trinity supporters will have no impact on the stadium issue in my opinion.'"
We have SWAG, the Supporters Trust and a Stadium Trust - I think that's enough organisations involved!
I can confirm that the Tories and UKIP have been extremely positive and helpful in their approach to this matter. The LibDems we have not heard back from and Labour are offering platitudes. These comments relate to the Stadium only, but people must decide what they want out of this election. I want someone who is going to do the best for this community, my community and the City of Wakefield, and that is how I will vote!
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| Quote ="TRB"We have SWAG, the Supporters Trust and a Stadium Trust - I think that's enough organisations involved!
I can confirm that the Tories and UKIP have been extremely positive and helpful in their approach to this matter. The LibDems we have not heard back from and Labour are offering platitudes. These comments relate to the Stadium only, but people must decide what they want out of this election. I want someone who is going to do the best for this community, my community and the City of Wakefield, and that is how I will vote!'"
Good for you. Hopefully more will join the above groups if they are promoted enough.
As said on previous post Conservatives have got no chance of getting into power at Wakefield council. As for the next Government they'll all say anything to get votes like Cameron saying he was a West Ham fan when infact he supposedly supports Aston Villa.
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| Labour done nothing around here. Roads are like Beirut.They have been good for Cas but not us in Wakefield
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| well we all know who mr box the labour leader of wmdc supports ,and it isnt wakefield trinity. so guess what i and many people i know arnt gonna support the so called labour party.
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| Most people i've spoken to who aren't regular wakey fans couldn't care less about the stadium fiasco one way or another. In fact most couldn't give a damn about the election period. Quite sad really.
Myself i would never vote for any particular party based on a single issue, whatever it was. The stadium being just one element. It all goes into the pot and the best of a bad bunch chosen from that. And then watch as nothing changes whoever it is that gets in.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"Most people i've spoken to who aren't regular wakey fans couldn't care less about the stadium fiasco one way or another. In fact most couldn't give a damn about the election period. Quite sad really.
Myself i would never vote for any particular party based on a single issue, whatever it was. The stadium being just one element. It all goes into the pot and the best of a bad bunch chosen from that. And then watch as nothing changes whoever it is that gets in.'"
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| Quote ="Theboyem"Most people i've spoken to who aren't regular wakey fans couldn't care less about the stadium fiasco one way or another. In fact most couldn't give a damn about the election period. Quite sad really.
Myself i would never vote for any particular party based on a single issue, whatever it was. The stadium being just one element. It all goes into the pot and the best of a bad bunch chosen from that. And then watch as nothing changes whoever it is that gets in.'"
I would generally agree with you on this.
However IF (and it's a massive if), one of the political parties were able to guarantee a new stadium (or massively improved BV), I would definitely vote for them.
Any other wrongs that they were responsible for could be rectified after the next election, but, the stadium would be worth any other pain.
Having said that, I don't think any of the current options are in any position to guarantee the stadium.
Although the current rulers of the district appear to have done all that they can for the stadium not to be built
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I would generally agree with you on this.
However IF (and it's a massive if), one of the political parties were able to guarantee a new stadium (or massively improved BV), I would definitely vote for them.
Any other wrongs that they were responsible for could be rectified after the next election, but, the stadium would be worth any other pain.
Having said that, I don't think any of the current options are in any position to guarantee the stadium.
Although the current rulers of the district appear to have done all that they can for the stadium not to be built
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I guess the problem we have is how local elections work. Labour will still be in control come the the 8th may and Box will still be leader, no matter how we vote. There just isn't enough councillors up for election to oust them and most people will still vote for them anyway. Personally i think the only chance we have is if a Labour government with a healthy front bench presence of local MP's can exert enough pressure on the council to move things forward. I just can't see the tories going against business in a case like this, it just isn't their way despite the rhetoric they are no doubt coming out with. The old saying 'How do you know when a conservative is lying? Their lips are moving' still rings true to this day. It's only my personal opinion and others may think de=ifferently but i think the only way the stadium will ever get built is by the council pressurising Yorkcourt in to doing so by refusing any further development on that land that doesn't comply to the original planning decision. To get this co-operation from our great leaders they will need leaning on from above from Creagh, Balls & Trickett who will likely have a good amount of government influence.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"I guess the problem we have is how local elections work. Labour will still be in control come the the 8th may and Box will still be leader, no matter how we vote. There just isn't enough councillors up for election to oust them and most people will still vote for them anyway. Personally i think the only chance we have is if a Labour government with a healthy front bench presence of local MP's can exert enough pressure on the council to move things forward. I just can't see the tories going against business in a case like this, it just isn't their way despite the rhetoric they are no doubt coming out with. The old saying 'How do you know when a conservative is lying? Their lips are moving' still rings true to this day. It's only my personal opinion and others may think de=ifferently but i think the only way the stadium will ever get built is by the council pressurising Yorkcourt in to doing so by refusing any further development on that land that doesn't comply to the original planning decision. To get this co-operation from our great leaders they will need leaning on from above from Creagh, Balls & Trickett who will likely have a good amount of government influence.'"
Agree with all that, it's just a case of whether the bigger players in Westminster can or will put pressure on Mr Box & Co to play ball.
Yorkcourt must be sitting back laughing at just how they have managed to get so much for so little and at just how easily they have managed to get away with things so easily.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"I guess the problem we have is how local elections work. Labour will still be in control come the the 8th may and Box will still be leader, no matter how we vote. There just isn't enough councillors up for election to oust them and most people will still vote for them anyway. Personally i think the only chance we have is if a Labour government with a healthy front bench presence of local MP's can exert enough pressure on the council to move things forward. I just can't see the tories going against business in a case like this, it just isn't their way despite the rhetoric they are no doubt coming out with. The old saying 'How do you know when a conservative is lying? Their lips are moving' still rings true to this day. It's only my personal opinion and others may think de=ifferently but i think the only way the stadium will ever get built is by the council pressurising Yorkcourt in to doing so by refusing any further development on that land that doesn't comply to the original planning decision. To get this co-operation from our great leaders they will need leaning on from above from Creagh, Balls & Trickett who will likely have a good amount of government influence.'"
All politicians lie, it's what they do. This saga proves labour lie just as good as the Tories
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