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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"It probably would but sadly I doubt it would be passed and this is nothing to do with my point I was making.
If you think we had objections at Newmarket it would be nothing compared to what we would encounter at the park.'"
Noticed in the express the other week locals were moaning about housing been built on the college site where the stadium was due to be built. A stadium and 3G pitches would be brilliant for Wakefield park. Park for all, stadium for all.
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| what about our mp mary creagh is she aware of the stadium issue, she is vocal on other things she should speak up for wakefield trinity the only pro club in the city.
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| Quote ="roverman"see the liblabcon panic last week in the scottish referendem,if the labour council in wakefield think the stadium issue could be a big vote loser next year it might convince them to act.so if they wont do anything dont vote for them simple.'"
But it won't be - nobody gives a damn, largely because they haven't got a clue about the community facilities aspect of the development; it has always been badged as a new stadium for WTW and that's how the majority of people see it - hence, they'll shrug and say 'hard luck Wakey - again.'
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| Pity the Wakey express aren't interested.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"Always been said pin a red rosette on a monkey and they'd still get in for WMDC that's why we have the fools we have at the moment.'"
Probably because even a monkey wearing a red rosette would show more compassion than some one wearing a blue rosette.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Pity the Wakey express aren't interested.'"
Not just the Wakey express, the national media should be kicking up a huge stink over this. WTW have been blatantly ripped off. Maybe negotiations are still at a delicate stage and people are holding back a little while ever there is some hope left.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"Noticed in the express the other week locals were moaning about housing been built on the college site where the stadium was due to be built. A stadium and 3G pitches would be brilliant for Wakefield park. Park for all, stadium for all.'"
I'm going back a while and can't be sure of the words but didn't Ted make an announcement on the pitch that said it wouldn't be for all ?
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"Not just the Wakey express, the national media should be kicking up a huge stink over this. WTW have been blatantly ripped off. Maybe negotiations are still at a delicate stage and people are holding back a little while ever there is some hope left.'"
I don't think he's listening to you bren!
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"I'm going back a while and can't be sure of the words but didn't Ted make an announcement on the pitch that said it wouldn't be for all ?'"
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| Quote ="bren2k"But it won't be - nobody gives a damn, largely because they haven't got a clue about the community facilities aspect of the development; it has always been badged as a new stadium for WTW and that's how the majority of people see it - hence, they'll shrug and say 'hard luck Wakey - again.''"
Sadly this is spot on. Especially given some of the other issues in the area where childrens centres are closing left right and centre, the market hall being pulled down, the roads crumbling under the wheels etc, then Wakefield Trinity and its 3500-4000 regular fans getting a shiny new stadium will be way down the list of peoples priorities i'm afraid.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"Probably because even a monkey wearing a red rosette would show more compassion than some one wearing a blue rosette.'"
Not if it's colour blind
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"Probably because even a monkey wearing a red rosette would show more compassion than some one wearing a blue rosette.'"
Give over and join the real world. You couldn't get a playing card between Tory and Labour core policies these days - that ship sailed years ago. The only difference is how efficiently they are carrying out policy - which in Labours case was diabolical leading to them leaving the country virtually bankrupt for the second time.
I'm a non religious - non political animal, I don't need anyone to tell me how to think. However I prefer Tories generally because they (the politicians) generally know what they are, self serving and greedy. Labour politicians and some supporters are the same but seem to take the moral high ground without any justification as far as I can tell. Box is one of these, what we need is someone who care for the city and not his own survival - whatever their politics. I can tell you now having met a rosette wearing Box a few times I can assure you that he had very little compassion about him as far as I could tell.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Reading the various comments the problem appears to be between the developers and whoever drafted the agreement. I may be missing something but in what way did the council impede the development.'"
Despite several more pages I note that I am still to receive a reply to my original question.
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| Strange that - me too.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"icon_mad.gif Despite several more pages I note that I am still to receive a reply to my original question.'"
Well it's a forum, no one is beholden to you or owes you an answer.
FWIW and IMO I think the Council have never really thrown their full weight behind this development despite appearances. They're certainly not showing any urgency or concern now that things look like stalling and Peter Box's attitude towards it stinks
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| Quote ="bren2k"But it won't be - nobody gives a damn, largely because they haven't got a clue about the community facilities aspect of the development; it has always been badged as a new stadium for WTW and that's how the majority of people see it - hence, they'll shrug and say 'hard luck Wakey - again.''"
Spot on. Me and my mates used to use the College grove 5 a side football playing area for a fair few years and it was always packed down there. The extra facilites would be huge for the general population of Wakeield.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"Probably because even a monkey wearing a red rosette would show more compassion than some one wearing a blue rosette.'"
Maybe 40 years ago.
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| I notice the Cas ground development is also badged up as a 'community stadium'. I guess this gives the council grounds to claim the district is getting new facilities and enables them to brush off anything to do with Newmarket.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Well it's a forum, no one is beholden to you or owes you an answer.
FWIW and IMO I think the Council have never really thrown their full weight behind this development despite appearances. They're certainly not showing any urgency or concern now that things look like stalling and Peter Box's attitude towards it stinks'"
I would expect that with the number of members posting such negative comments about the council and it's leader including our chairman the reasons would have more clear. The current complaint is that they don't appear to be showing any urgency but the delay is the fault of others. I am amazed that is all they can be blamed for when I have read such personal accusations of dishonesty and demands for their removal.
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| Just to go off topic, has Cas got planning permission for their new ground.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I would expect that with the number of members posting such negative comments about the council and it's leader including our chairman the reasons would have more clear. The current complaint is that they don't appear to be showing any urgency but the delay is the fault of others. I am amazed that is all they can be blamed for when I have read such personal accusations of dishonesty and demands for their removal.'"
Well they can certainly be blamed for the embarrassing lack of sports facilities in the District, a situation that has prevailed for decades and has brought derision from Government institutes.
WMDC are guilty of leading many sports fans up the garden path with regard to the Thornes Park debacle. It is WMDCs planning department, as much as anyone, which has been conned by a less than transparent Developer.
Peter Box, as head of the WMDC, has a constitutional responsibility to do the right thing by Wakefield citizens and his inaction in the face of this dishonest action is nothing short of scandalous.
So Yes, if you want to see where blame can be attached to individuals from WMDC and WMDC itself then there it is.
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| I am sorry but the reasons given may be correct but does not cover the specific suggestion that the council and it's leader have deliberately got in the way of our development in favour of Castleford. We may not have the greatest sporting facilities but we do have 2 SL and 3 championship clubs all falling into the WF district and all watching that none are shown unfair favouritism.
We are doing it ourselves with this topic suggesting that Castleford are receiving favourable treatment. I cannot trace any evidence of this other than wild allegations from some on here.
We and all the other RL clubs in the district have to take responsibility for the position each find themselves in. It is not up to the council to favour us, if the ground is not developed it is not their fault but that of the people in charge of putting the deal in place. They have put us into a position to develop a new facility but the reason it still remains a drawing on an architects board is that those handling the arrangements appear to have been outflanked by the developers.
I am sure those members closer to the process will know what went wrong but currently this still remains unclear.
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| I haven't got a clue one way or the other about Box and his feeling about Newmarket. I know there has been a general feeling among the other 2 WF sides that he favors his own side but hey what do we all know when it comes down to it. I will say he doesn't do himself any favours about trying to keep impartial about the 3 clubs, he obviously loves Cas Tigers and isn't afraid to show it.
Then add that to the way he responded to the question possed to him by Sandal Cat on the radio recently about what was happening about Newmaket and the Community Facilites, basically saying not my problem mush, spoke volumes imo.
I'm sure there are those that are close to the project that will be avaible to answer the question more accurately. Form the outside looking in though, he is the head of the WMDC and he put the parties together in the first place and if I was in his position I'd be making a lot more noise about this S106 cock up or whatever it is. Personally I think it woud be a huge feather in the cap for WMDC to upgrade the cities sports facilities and I'd have thought he'd have wanted the glory of making that happen, then again I'm just your averge guy, not a politician.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"I haven't got a clue one way or the other about Box and his feeling about Newmarket. I know there has been a general feeling among the other 2 WF sides that he favors his own side but hey what do we all know when it comes down to it. I will say he doesn't do himself any favors about trying to keep impartial about the 3 clubs, he obviously loves Cas Tigers and isn't afraid to show it.
Then add that to the way he responded to the question possed to him by Sandal Cat on the radio recently about what was happening about Newmaket and the Community Facilites, basically saying not my problem mush, spoke volumes imo.
I'm sure there are those that are close to the project that will be avaible to answer the question more accurately. Form the outside looking in though, he is the head of the WMDC and he put the parties together in the first place and if I was in his position I'd be making a lot more noise about this S106 cock up or whatever it is. Personally I think it woud be a huge feather in the cap for WMDC to upgrade the cities sports facilities and I'd have thought he'd have wanted the glory of making that happen, then again I'm just your averge guy, not a politician.'"
It's favours NOT favors. Sorry but, I have to contend with the American rape of the English language every day here in the Phils and I expect not to see it when I visit this or any other British forum unless of course you are American in which case it's still "favours"!
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| As far as I know they have put in for PP
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