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| Quote ="TRB"None - and I begrudge them nothing at all - but it's the choice they make and I suspect many of us would have loved to have had that choice - to be a full time sportsman - for a while at least.
The clever ones are the ones who get themselves a skill or trade alongside their RL career.'"
I gave up any ambition I had to play pro rugby to become a full time porn star.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"I think what mellors was earning having anything to do with what anyone else was earning is irrelevent, as common sense left the building when his and some other contracts were handed out.
The rest i wholly agree with.'"
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| Quote ="El Rey"I gave up any ambition I had to play pro rugby to become a full time porn star.
Good luck to Liam and Jordan whatever road they take.'"
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Without getting into the financial side of things I would like to comment on the playing side of things from a Liam Kaye
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If he is offered a SL contract by us he is in a fantastic position career wise. If he backs himself and believes he has got the talent then he is being offered a great opportunity. Just look whats infront of him.
Lynne hardly a world beater and barely hanging on to a team place himself.
Fox After his performance last season, if he can't do a better job then he may as well pack in playing.
Smith Best years were at Leeds IMHO and his level could easily be reached
Collis Good player but constant injury problems.
Mathers Again another with best years behind him.
Now if the kid has an ounce of ambition surely he can't be worried about too many of the above blocking his career path at Wakey.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Without getting into the financial side of things I would like to comment on the playing side of things from a Liam Kaye
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If he is offered a SL contract by us he is in a fantastic position career wise. If he backs himself and believes he has got the talent then he is being offered a great opportunity. Just look whats infront of him.
Lynne hardly a world beater and barely hanging on to a team place himself.
Fox After his performance last season, if he can't do a better job then he may as well pack in playing.
Smith Best years were at Leeds IMHO and his level could easily be reached
Collis Good player but constant injury problems.
Mathers Again another with best years behind him.
Now if the kid has an ounce of ambition surely he can't be worried about too many of the above blocking his career path at Wakey.'"
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| Quote ="vastman"What apart from the massive humour bypass at the beginning - I was ironically taking the mick out of myself as much as try scorer - far from childish but quite an adult way to defuse his rage.'"
Sorry i wasn't aware you had a sense of humour!  |
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Sorry i wasn't aware you had a sense of humour!
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| Quote ="vastman"Yeah I do, it's epic….'"
If you think so, you certainly have a sense of irony!!
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To get back on to Kaye (with or without an e?) and other options
Kaye wasn't perfect in the game against Cas. He took his tries very well but lets not elevate him to godlike status just yet. He has some things to learn, whether wing or stand off.
I'd love him to stay but still only on an appropriate wage
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Quote ="vastman"That's a rely poor argument, if he wants to stack shelves at Aldi then who's stopping him?
No one is owed a living and Kay has far from proved himself so an increase on 8k however modest is fair IMO. It's a chance to back himself what more can any of us ask- worthy though it is as a job shelf stacking at Aldi is it's abject surrender compared to having a real go at becoming a top RL Pro - something most of us can only dream of.
My son who is the same age lives on about 8K a year doing a job he doesn't love while he works hard on the side pursuing his real interest - so excuse me if I don't weep for Liam getting the same for playing a game!'"
The point I'm making is that it seems a very low salary for a full time professional sportsman in his early 20s and surely is not a competitive salary compared to other SL clubs for players in a similar position to him is it? It's a rare talent to play at such a high level of sport and also such a short career to be rewarded so little.
I'll also follow on from your previous post though if we're considering going down the line of signing other players for the wing and we've saved money off loading over paid disappointments like Mellars why not secure a 'local' talent like Kaye for a competitive salary for a young inexperienced promising player like him who is a potential future stand off? I'd rather that than sign another Import risk.
If he was secured on a reasonable 2 year deal and prospered then we could have ourselves another Nigel Wright? Good stand offs are few and far between and command a high price further down the line.
We go around in circles with the frustrating Kaye situation...
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Quote ="vastman"That's a rely poor argument, if he wants to stack shelves at Aldi then who's stopping him?
No one is owed a living and Kay has far from proved himself so an increase on 8k however modest is fair IMO. It's a chance to back himself what more can any of us ask- worthy though it is as a job shelf stacking at Aldi is it's abject surrender compared to having a real go at becoming a top RL Pro - something most of us can only dream of.
My son who is the same age lives on about 8K a year doing a job he doesn't love while he works hard on the side pursuing his real interest - so excuse me if I don't weep for Liam getting the same for playing a game!'"
The point I'm making is that it seems a very low salary for a full time professional sportsman in his early 20s and surely is not a competitive salary compared to other SL clubs for players in a similar position to him is it? It's a rare talent to play at such a high level of sport and also such a short career to be rewarded so little.
I'll also follow on from your previous post though if we're considering going down the line of signing other players for the wing and we've saved money off loading over paid disappointments like Mellars why not secure a 'local' talent like Kaye for a competitive salary for a young inexperienced promising player like him who is a potential future stand off? I'd rather that than sign another Import risk.
If he was secured on a reasonable 2 year deal and prospered then we could have ourselves another Nigel Wright? Good stand offs are few and far between and command a high price further down the line.
We go around in circles with the frustrating Kaye situation...
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The clever ones are the ones who get themselves a skill or trade alongside their RL career.'"
Or arguably go to Australia and see the world playing rugby part time plus working over there in an attempt to one day have a go at NRL and earn really decent money! |
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Quote ="asmadasa"The point I'm making is that it seems a very low salary for a full time professional sportsman in his early 20s and surely is not a competitive salary compared to other SL clubs for players in a similar position to him is it? It's a rare talent to play at such a high level of sport and also such a short career to be rewarded so little.
I'll also follow on from your previous post though if we're considering going down the line of signing other players for the wing and we've saved money off loading over paid disappointments like Mellars why not secure a 'local' talent like Kaye for a competitive salary for a young inexperienced promising player like him who is a potential future stand off? I'd rather that than sign another Import risk.
If he was secured on a reasonable 2 year deal and prospered then we could have ourselves another Nigel Wright? Good stand offs are few and far between and command a high price further down the line.
We go around in circles with the frustrating Kaye situation...
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I get all your points but we are a small sport and it's that level of player who suffer the most - but they all know that when they start - even there lizard tonged agents can't hide the lack of real money in the game. RL may be a pro sport but I think you have to have a love for it to bother in a way you don't in football. |
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Quote ="asmadasa"The point I'm making is that it seems a very low salary for a full time professional sportsman in his early 20s and surely is not a competitive salary compared to other SL clubs for players in a similar position to him is it? It's a rare talent to play at such a high level of sport and also such a short career to be rewarded so little.
I'll also follow on from your previous post though if we're considering going down the line of signing other players for the wing and we've saved money off loading over paid disappointments like Mellars why not secure a 'local' talent like Kaye for a competitive salary for a young inexperienced promising player like him who is a potential future stand off? I'd rather that than sign another Import risk.
If he was secured on a reasonable 2 year deal and prospered then we could have ourselves another Nigel Wright? Good stand offs are few and far between and command a high price further down the line.
We go around in circles with the frustrating Kaye situation...
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I get all your points but we are a small sport and it's that level of player who suffer the most - but they all know that when they start - even there lizard tonged agents can't hide the lack of real money in the game. RL may be a pro sport but I think you have to have a love for it to bother in a way you don't in football. | |
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| Quote ="kinleycat"I think what mellors was earning having anything to do with what anyone else was earning is irrelevent, as common sense left the building when his and some other contracts were handed out.
The rest i wholly agree with.'"
Now we are on a more even keel…
Overpaying the likes Mellors erodes the ability of the club to fund long term projects like Kay. In hindsight Mellors was a poor signing, it happens - however it's the fact that he was so grossly overpaid that it actually drained the club that really irked. The club have had to pay him off with cash that could have been used to plump up Kayes and others deals. Now every penny is needed to get 17 SL players on the park and the possible stars of the future have to be forgotten - something I'm sure MC and RA don't like one bit.
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A bit of perspective. Liam Kay wasn't offerred 8k. He was offerred 15k plus a few add ons. Whether that is an insult is open to opinion. But in light of putting a super league squad together in a relegation year, ITS ALL WE COULD AFFORD. We have to balance long term aims with short term priorities.
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| Quote ="Daddycool"A bit of perspective. Liam Kay wasn't offerred 8k. He was offerred 15k plus a few add ons. Whether that is an insult is open to opinion. But in light of putting a super league squad together in a relegation year, ITS ALL WE COULD AFFORD. We have to balance long term aims with short term priorities.'"
IMO 15k is about right especially for how many first games he has played. |
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| Quote ="Daddycool"A bit of perspective. Liam Kay wasn't offerred 8k. He was offerred 15k plus a few add ons. Whether that is an insult is open to opinion. But in light of putting a super league squad together in a relegation year, ITS ALL WE COULD AFFORD. We have to balance long term aims with short term priorities.'"
15K at 23 playing a sport he I assume enjoys with one full SL game under your belt is no insult at all. However some people will never be totally happy unless they are painting the club or the coach as evil exploiters.
Tell us Mr Cool has he gone or not then we can all move on - thanks. |
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| Quote ="Daddycool"A bit of perspective. Liam Kay wasn't offerred 8k. He was offerred 15k plus a few add ons. Whether that is an insult is open to opinion. But in light of putting a super league squad together in a relegation year, ITS ALL WE COULD AFFORD. We have to balance long term aims with short term priorities.'"
I would have thought a young kid like Liam would have gambled just one more season on those terms considering there isn't that much in front of him and he should get a decent amount of game time at SL level. |
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I am presuming so, seen as his agent never came back to me?
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| Quote ="Daddycool"I am presuming so, seen as his agent never came back to me?'"
Fair enough, it's a shame but that's so RL…. |
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If not for an agent he may well have done. DC are we hearing of any new captures this week??
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| Quote ="Daddycool"A bit of perspective. Liam Kay wasn't offerred 8k. He was offerred 15k plus a few add ons. Whether that is an insult is open to opinion. But in light of putting a super league squad together in a relegation year, ITS ALL WE COULD AFFORD. We have to balance long term aims with short term priorities.'"
Seems a little disrespectful talking about a young lads earning online! |
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| Quote ="Daddycool"I am presuming so, seen as his agent never came back to me?'"
I presume that you have now learnt that RL agents only do what's best for themselves and the people they purport to represent are always a secondary consideration |
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| Quote ="JINJER"Seems a little disrespectful talking about a young lads earning online!'"
I don't see how its dis-respectful? MC was clearly putting out the facts after people have said that he had been offered 8k instead of the 15k.
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I have no idea what he's earning. I'm putting the record straight about our offer.
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