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| Glover and Elston need to back up their promise of not being a selling club and send all enquirers away with a flea in their ears-especially Hull K R. I'm tired of seeing Chris Chester down at Belle Vue every home game. Does he pay to get in I wonder??
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| From the license application I think the plan was to be spending up to the cap in year three. Obviously reality hasn't quite reflected the business plan. It's a risky time to be reducing spend with relegation returning next year. I expect Cas and Salford to improve on their respective positions so its going to be tight at the bottom end of SL.
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| Quote ="Trinity 61"Glover and Elston need to back up their promise of not being a selling club and send all enquirers away with a flea in their ears-especially Hull K R. I'm tired of seeing Chris Chester down at Belle Vue every home game. Does he pay to get in I wonder??
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To be fair to them we've done well to keep hold of a few of our players over the last few years but every club sells at sometime and if its a good offer that means the club can sort out our well documented bills and keep going then so be it. Until we're in at Newmarket or new investment comes in before that we are going to struggle to financially compete
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| Quote ="Trinity 61"Glover and Elston need to back up their promise of not being a selling club and send all enquirers away with a flea in their ears-especially Hull K R. I'm tired of seeing Chris Chester down at Belle Vue every home game. Does he pay to get in I wonder??
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Chris Chester is a Wakefield supporter to be fair. He has been coming down to BV for years.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY" Until we're in at Newmarket or new investment comes in before that we are going to struggle to financially compete'"
If we are a championship club I can't really see how being at Newmarket would be much help. I also know there are still funding issues in order to build a SL standard stadium. It would make life much easier for some people if Newmarket turned out to be just a small championship Stadium something like Dewsbury.
It would be extremely dangerous to weaken the squad next season and if the club got relegated it could take years to come back.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Didn't someone say that there were potential investors willing to come in as long as a certain person leaves the club? I wonder who that could be.'"
The guy who was chief executive the last time we didn't pay the bills and went into administartion you mean? The one in charge of the day to day that has presided over a company with a clean slate being on the brink of going pop once more after just two and a half years?
I'll cut Glover some slack, he doesn't run the club day to day and is not a rugby man. Although as chairman and businessman he should have been stronger he has put his trust in people who, quite frankly, are incompetant in the roles they are in. He needs to act NOW or it will be too late. The club needs a CEO who knows how to manage a business, someone with experience and the relevent qualifications. Alongside him needs to be an experienced general manger and director of rugby to run the club and advise Glover and needed. They have at least employed a firm of accountants so we now have someone who knows what a balance sheet is but more has to be done.
So will Glover remove his mate? We'll see if he has got the bottle but failure to act will result in failure of the club. We cannot continue down the path we are. It's still just about salvagable, but the clock is ticking towards the witching hour rapidly.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"From the license application I think the plan was to be spending up to the cap in year three. Obviously reality hasn't quite reflected the business plan. It's a risky time to be reducing spend with relegation returning next year. I expect Cas and Salford to improve on their respective positions so its going to be tight at the bottom end of SL.'"
Messing up the sums to the tune of a promised 3rd year licensing cap differential of £600,000 takes some doing.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"To be fair to them we've done well to keep hold of a few of our players over the last few years but every club sells at sometime and if its a good offer that means the club can sort out our well documented bills and keep going then so be it. Until we're in at Newmarket or new investment comes in before that we are going to struggle to financially compete'"
Newmarket is a fair way off yet and whilst it will improve things, it won't be the holy grail some people think. Remember we won't own it and as such won't gain all the benefits of its use. We have cut a good deal but it alone won't make us rich, we need other things to be put into place as well.
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| Whilst i like what cockayne brings to the team, winger is a relatively easy position to cover from within the squad, so if he has to be sold to balance the books then so be it. He would go with my thanks for his effort and commitment whilst at wakey where he has never given less than 100 percent.
Amor is a totally different issue. He is a key player for us in a position that it is not easy to recruit and especially not someone of his age and quality. He must be kept regardless of any offer made, otherwise people will lose faith in where the club is heading, especially if we're selling one of our better players at the same time as asking the relatively new fans to pay more for their ST.
If Wilkes is going then that should save a decent sum . I would also let wash brook go as other than his tackling he doesn't offer much else.
I may be in the minority here but I would then hope Ali calls it quits at the end of this season as that would save us another significant sum and for the time he spends on the pitch and how he has performed this season (where he hasn't been as effective)' he is a luxury we can no longer afford.
Finally, I do think its time for a change of chief Exec as there have been too many mistakes made under JE tenure which have seen us get into this latest situation . on the eve of the most important season in recent times, we look like we will have to reduce the numbers in our squad or the quality or both. If this allowed fresh investment into the club then that would be a much welcome bonus on top of the club being run more efficiently.
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| Can anyone point me in the direction of said investors? Because there may be people talking a good game about investing but no one has actually contacted the board about any serious investment? So in the meantime the existing board will keep propping up the club. Like a lot of clubs in super league there is an underlying loss in which one or a number of individuals fund. I will name hull kr as an appropriate example to ourselves. Moving to Newmarket will give us half a chance of not only covering that loss but also allowing us to make a profit tht can be invested into the team. Unfortunately belle vue doesn't allow us to maximise our revenue on both match and non match days. So until then it's a fine balance between what the board can and can't afford to put in to the club ( or throw away on the club whichever way you look at it).
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| Quote ="Daddycool"Can anyone point me in the direction of said investors? [uBecause there may be people talking a good game [/uabout investing but no one has actually contacted the board about any serious investment? So in the meantime the existing board will keep propping up the club. Like a lot of clubs in super league there is an underlying loss in which one or a number of individuals fund. I will name hull kr as an appropriate example to ourselves. Moving to Newmarket will give us half a chance of not only covering that loss but also allowing us to make a profit tht can be invested into the team. Unfortunately belle vue doesn't allow us to maximise our revenue on both match and non match days. So until then it's a fine balance between what the board can and can't afford to put in to the club ( or throw away on the club whichever way you look at it).'"
Some at this club have been doing this for years tbf.
Newmarket won't change that at all imo.
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| I agree. What Newmarket will change though is an ability to generate revenue off field.
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| Can i ask a question.
People are talking about Cowling and Smith going to Cas
Cockayne going to Hull KR
Wilkes leaving
Washbrook leaving
Apart from Cockayne, I haven't seen anything nearing an official comment on any of the others.
Are they just general "I winder if" conversations on here or is there any substance to any of them?
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| Quote ="Frosties."@HDMsport: Mail Exclusive: #HullKR have made a cash offer to Wakefield for prop Kyle Amor as they continue their recruitment for 2014'"
It won't take much to tip me over the top with RL, I'm sick to death of the constant meddling with the game , and it's only my loyalty to WT that has kept me interested.
If there is anything in the above I would hope they are told to do one.
If Amor is sold that is me done. (and I will won't a refund as I've already got next years ST x3)
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"It won't take much to tip me over the top with RL, I'm sick to death of the constant meddling with the game , and it's only my loyalty to WT that has kept me interested.
If there is anything in the above I would hope they are told to do one.
If Amor is sold that is me done. (and I will won't a refund as I've already got next years ST x3)'"
Lets hope Kyle is a Wildcat next season, it would be a huge loss.
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| Lots of uncertainty it seems, with nothing concrete. Until someone leaves its just rumours and having an unstableing effect on the club, hindering recruitment and investment. Who would want to come and invest or play for a club in strife?? We could do the same to any club who have a player with 1 year left on a contract. It would keep our supporters happy but in reality means bugger all.
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| Quote ="Mable_Syrup" its just rumours and having an unstableing effect on the club, hindering recruitment and investment. Who would want to come and invest or play for a club in strife?.'"
Most of these rumours are coming out of the gob of Nosey parker. Whoever is feeding him will also be happy because they seem to be having an effect.
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| Quote ="Daddycool"I agree. What Newmarket will change though is an ability to generate revenue off field.'"
Don't kid yourself Daddycool.
If we end up in the championship next season Newmarket will be nothing like the development we are expecting.
We'll be lucky to get more than a couple of basic stands and a ground capacity of about 5000. That's why reducing our playing strength next season could be tantamount to suicide.
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| Kyle Amor`s agent is Phil Clark`s brother who has never stopped trying to get him a move, last season it was Hull now its Hull KR. The player never mind the club may not even know that the agent is touting a player around. Martin Shuttleworth is another agent that never seems to do us any favours, his players come to us and then it seems he does his best to get them away once they hit some good form. It seems from reading Sir Richard Agars tweets that Shuttleworth is doing, has done, his best to get Lee Smith away to Cas and Sir Richard Agar is normally pretty good with his info. The problem is that most players think that their agent is working in the players best interest and most fans know that agents are low life bottom feeding scumbags.
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| Again from the license application, the target spend for year two was £1.3m, I suspect with Mellars salary (which if rumours are to be believed is six figure sum) and the paying off of John, Southern and Ellis it probably equates to a £1.1m spend.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Kyle Amor`s agent is Phil Clark`s brother who has never stopped trying to get him a move, last season it was Hull now its Hull KR. The player never mind the club may not even know that the agent is touting a player around. Martin Shuttleworth is another agent that never seems to do us any favours, his players come to us and then it seems he does his best to get them away once they hit some good form. It seems from reading Sir Richard Agars tweets that Shuttleworth is doing, has done, his best to get Lee Smith away to Cas and Sir Richard Agar is normally pretty good with his info. The problem is that most players think that their agent is working in the players best interest and most fans know that agents are low life bottom feeding scumbags.'"
I still can’t see why the RFL can’t employ agents to represent players as and when they need them. Player wants a move he has access to a salaried RFL employee who has no interest in the player moving clubs so is purely doing it for their benefit rather than his own pocket. I mentioned this a few years ago when this issue last cropped up.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Again from the license application, the target spend for year two was £1.3m, I suspect with Mellars salary (which if rumours are to be believed is six figure sum) and the paying off of John, Southern and Ellis it probably equates to a £1.1m spend.'"
These figures could be total speculation but if you are near to the mark then take them a bit further.
It would also mean we have blown £200,000 on misguided recruitment. That would fill quite a bit of the financial hole mentioned by sixtogo.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Most of these rumours are coming out of the gob of Nosey parker. Whoever is feeding him will also be happy because they seem to be having an effect.'"
Nosey Parker gets most of his rumors off these very boards doesn't he, which usually tun out to be total rubbish.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Nosey Parker gets most of his rumors off these very boards doesn't he, which usually tun out to be total rubbish.'"
That's just a rumour, and like most rumours is rubbish.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Don't kid yourself Daddycool.
If we end up in the championship next season Newmarket will be nothing like the development we are expecting.
We'll be lucky to get more than a couple of basic stands and a ground capacity of about 5000. That's why reducing our playing strength next season could be tantamount to suicide.'"
Don't worry I'm not going to kid myself. Newmarket will provide more revenue off field then on it though.
And clearly we won't be in the championship next season though I do accept your point.
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