Thinking about it logically I can't see how there is more to this, we know only 2 years ago we had our debts wiped out and since then the club have done a great job of making money and selling tickets, so it'd be some leap to make.

The club should have been informing us of this before it happened, that would have been far better and on their own terms. Not finding out the way we did and then doing damaged limitations, it almost seemed they were wanting the news to go by without hopefully no one noticing.

If the club react how they have been doing, they will want to make this right with the fans and explain themselves more thoroughly.

Seems like an issue resolved. Only thing that confuses me, is why the statement has to be "requested by some" before it is published?

Surely as courtesy to the fans, they should have made people aware of this WUO coming out in the press and saying 'it has been resolved' before the balloon goes up? as can be seen on this thread!

just a little strange that he fans had to find this out for theirselves, as it looks very gloomy on the face of it.

Bit of transparency wouldn't go amiss? And why on earth are unpaid tax bills and missed payments rife in rugby league!?

The damage has already been done.


The club could recover some credibility if they release more details. Dates, money involved and ultimately whose fault it was.

Of course it is a courtesy to fans, although our recent history and yours for that matter shows that often courtesy is overlooked.
Under our new ownership we have been treat far better than the previous owner but of course there are issues that we should know nothing about; that's fair.
For this issue to be considered as one of them is a spectacular mistake as was getting in this position in the first place, and mistakes need to be rectified and owned up to.
This was definitely news in the public (wakefield supporters) interest.
If whoever thought this would blow over undetected for their own good, it was a huge error of judgement.

precisely.

anything that will eventually come out in the media needs addressing BEFORE it actually does.

all that's happened is Wakey fans and rugby league fans in the area think "what the hell!?"

its fine saying "oh don't worry its fine it's fine" but it's worrying that a WUO can be responded to so flippantly

The target for 4000 season tickets could have been seriously compromised if this had come out when it first arose so it might be the reason it wasnt mentioned.Then again we are so close to making the target I would be very annoyed if the target is missed because of this.The one thing this does is put a very bad light on things at the club even if HMRC came out with a statement themselves that it was a simple error by the club.For the first time in years the club looked like it was being run as a great club with great things to come this has now been knocked back to the dark days.
Here we are after 18 months of good things going on and the club being talked about as a model of what can be done with the right people and things put in place now looking to the outside world as if everything is going to go belly up again.Lets face facts if you had a company and was on the verge of being a sponsor would you now go through with it - probably not at all.

Can't we just set up a DD so the payment is never missed??

Agree with most on here but I think we are over reacting. Mistakes happen - we are all human. Don't get me wrong, it's a very big mistake but it's been dealt with. These things do happen unfortunately and no doubt someone will be feeling the wrath of AG this morning but let's move on. It's paid, cleared whatever else you want to call it. We are about to hit season ticket target, we are very close to being given the green light to Newmarket and have just smugness SOO prop forward with other classy players being talked to. The positives far outweigh the negatives. And the more we talk about it the longer it will linger. Let's move on..........

As much as I understood why there is some hero worship for the 'saviour' we should have put this lot under the same scrutiny as the last lot. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and buddying up to the owner and CE is one thing we didn't need to happen again.

I hope it is just an oversight, but what a thing to over look!

Getting in the papers for meeting One Direction doesn't cover-up stuff like this. Foolish error.

well said jimmy

AG is a successful businessman, would he make such an error with his own business? I don't think so, it's a very odd mistake to make, if it is a mistake.

Whichever way you look at this ... all the hard work that the club (officials / fans) have been doing since all the troubles last time round... this simply erodes any confidence people may have in the new WTRLFC

Elston and the rest know this - which is why I am amazed it has got to this - even if this is an oversight.

New regime - Same Wakefield

Probs not ag' s fault, like every owner will delegate.

Its true these things do happen.
But before you get a winding up order published in the London Gaz.Then you would have gone to regonal office
and I would have thought be three months in arrears? circa 200k

How could this have happened if as the club say we get visits every month?and that its an oversight?

Andrew said on tv and at Ceader Court that our finacial troubles were over and would never be a problem again?

Has this changed? hard to believe if our increase in the number of people comming through the turnstiles are to be accepted?

Has it been paid club statement says ( it is being dealt with?)

All i know is that if i was Mr Glover with my other double glazing business, the publicity this is attracting, and giving ammo to the knockers, i would have moved heaven and earth not to have got to this stage.

Perhaps a bit of honesty from mr Ellston wouldnt come ammiss.in stead of blaiming every one else.

I've been reluctant to post on a few things lately due to the fact i'll be shot down, i can see while everthing looks rosey on the outside people will believe all is well, been told many times that behind the scenes the running of the clubs a shambles in most areas.

"Unprofessional" and "playing at it" is the phrase i've heard most to describe this club.

I don't doubt this is nothing to worry about but its very poor.

So, a new regime with the same outcome!

Instead of trumpeting the signatures of an Aussie prop, Hudson & Dickens, how about employing a Finance Manager.

With the club under constant scrutiny from HMRC due to previous failings, this is one bill that takes preference, an oversight shouldn’t be an option.

Ah look what's crawled out of the woodwork - perhaps you can hand over the gate money when we play you at Odslum, that's how it works I believe

He failed has part of the team with the last lot, failed at KR and now he's at it again.

AG should have swept the old stuff out.

Been my point for ages now. Running a RL is difficult in the extreme and the old regime kept us afloat for ten years. Ultimately they failed but they still left with a club someone wanted and a place in SL at the time. Those people who worship AG should wait a while.

As it happens I'm reasonably happy with whats gone on but as I've said before much of it is window dressing and many of the ideas were old one rehashed. AG a good salesman but this is a poor effort for me.

Also JE was part of the old regime, a big part which is often forgotten. Jimmy does OK most of the time but he was created by Ted not Glover and sometimes old habits might die hard (that's just a might).

Finally a winding up order even from HMRC despite what the Bradford troll suggest is often nothing, in this case let's hope it is so.

You tell us, none of what i've heard/read stacks up.

Muddy waters indeed.

They should have just told us straight away instead of hoping it gets ignored. Lesson learnt, pay ya bills on time!

Must admit my recent experience with club 1873 does smack off incompetence. To cut a long story short, I pay by annual standing order and the club received the money at the beginning of July. They called me in sept asking if I wanted to renew so I pointed out I had already paid. Then this week get another call asking if I want to renew! The upshot of all this is I am not sure my numbers have been in the drawers for the last 3 months even though I have paid

The club needs to be far better at the business side of things otherwise I can see us ending back in the same mess as before

This is all highly depressing. The feel good factor around the club has well truly been smashed over night. As already said the damage to our reputation is going to be very costly. Looks the old days of of going from crisis to crisis! It just seems to be the way for clubs like ours that haven't got a sugar daddy. Sometimes I wonder why we bother trying to play catch up with the sugar daddies were never going to be up there unless we get one of our own. This latest episode is just another symptom of keeping up with the cash on hip owners! So if I remember rightly isn't their a transfer ban on clubs that find themselves in this position? I know we couldn't sign anyone last time we was in this situation and Salford couldn't last year?

We certainly need to keep everything crossed that this is just an embarrassing mistake.
As far as I can see, we haven't dealt with this situation very well, but it is a rarity; mostly we do ok I think.
From what I was told of the old ways, people weren't allowed to do things mainly down to money being scarce, perhaps AG is too far removed and has too much trust in others.
I know he had claimed in the past he knows little about RL, but this is simple financial management, so no excuses anywhere or for anyone.
I can only assume with the volume of money coming into the club that if expenditure is kept in control our financial concerns cannot possibly be as bad prior to AGs involvement, but I always feel a cold shiver when HMRC are involved.
In this case we will have to wait and see if it is just simple good old fashioned incompetency or wether we are in for another free ride on the Wakefield Trinity Rollercoaster!!!
If I were AG though, I would be on high alert and making sure that whoever has cocked up knows it CAN'T happen again and putting measures in place to ensure it doesn't!

Just to be clear it's a winding up petition. It's very different from a winding up order. Although we should not be being served with either, a petition is far less damaging than an order and could be issued by anyone via a solicitor over any number of things. However, without getting in a blind panic or doomsday declaring, could this not be something as simple as a disagreement relating to an amount paid to a business? It doesn't necessarily have to be tax related and it doesn't mean there wasn't money available to pay it in the first place does it?

Either way, the club should have preempted this rather than fire fight