How have i upset you now love?
No rant from me, just pointed out that Ted's getting some stick and you and TRB jumped to his defense as usual, and nobody either cares or believes what you say as usual.
No rant, as ever you don't bother answering the questions or points i post, you just try slagging off.
Wonder why?
And there's no s in Kinley, if you're troubled by the spelling, there's my name next to the rants to help you!

No you would not, you have just flat out refused to PM t-r-i-n-i-t-y because you do not know him?!



Which one is it? Or is it make it up as you go along like the majority of your posts?

Don't be a pedant - is that seriously the best you can do.

Still if it helps, I wouldn't PM you because I simply don't think it would make any difference, do you - happy now.

That's exactly how I feel about you - so who's right - let me guess

Another world class answer by the all seeing all knowing one!!!
Put up or shut up!!

i really really dont believe what im reading in this thred.

some of the best posters generally just acting in a rather daft way, could you please all stop it?

What exactly have you done to earn my trust, why do you think I owe you an explanation. Your sense of entitlement is incredible. I've been trying to explain stuff to you for month but you won't listen you just shout anyone down who won't accept what you say and think. No opposition is allowed. So go whistle and feel free to post another glib dig, you'll be claiming you own me next

Well said

I'm still waiting for you to develop a spine and back up your argument!
Sorry of it's glib, bit I'm getting bored and all your hot air is doing my asthma no good at all.
Why you feel I need to earn you respect is beyond me, you should pay respect to others by treating them with the same courtesy you demand.
Superiority complex overdrive I'm afraid!!
Apologies to everyone else!!

This is fun.


Together we are stronger EH.

Rumour mill in over drive, can anyone actually prove anything, nah though not just a lot of hot air.

Over the past two weeks or so I've had a number of people; five in fact, tell me that things at the club were not left in a state which allowed the smoothest of transitions from the old regime to the new.

Each one of those conversations was individually held with people who were not connected with each other but all had credible, first hand connections with the club. All the conversations had a common thread regarding the alleged spoiling that had gone on prior to handover.

Having just had an illuminating conversation a few things have been put in perspective and other issues have been explained which shed a different light on the scorched earth theory, I'll add that my conversation was not with Vastman or anyone else who frequents this board.

It seems that Vastman may well be correct in stating that this was very much a smear campaign which gained credibility and momentum through unhappy coincidental problems at the club.

I've largely kept quiet about what’s happened over the last few months, however this seemed to be an act of malice and, after refraining from doing so, I posted what I’d heard regarding what had supposedly happened, however I now think I was wrong.

So forgive me for inadvertently fanning the flames of this rumour, it wasn’t my intention to lend credibility to it and set off a fierce debate between forum members. I’m all about the truth and consequences for those who deserves vilification but in this instance it’s me that’s wrong.

Oh dear this gets worse Clan, now we all want to know who's chucked the smear campaign at us.

Big can of worms just been opened me thinks.

That's fine, I'd rather stay anonymous!

The problem is, the club have only communicated poorly since getting into Super League. Even with a local radio station for this city (and now, there are at least another 3, including Radio Leeds), and a website, it was 'exclusive' after 'exclusive' through the Wakey Express. And look where that got us! Not that employing anyone around the club to deal with the media ever helped either...

BUT, that is why we have ended up with these posts on this thread.

From the embryonic community on Dale's site over a decade ago, through the nonsense that was filling the forums with silly games and posts from the 'Chief Egg' to the banning of the original forum, there have always been posters who, for whatever reason, are privy to information that the general supporter was not aware of.

For whatever reason, whether that's getting close to Ted through WiSCA - who, could be argued, worked too closely with the club, and found themselves defending them at every turn, or any other body where contact with key people in the club, which led to little leaks and secret info not for us who also pay to watch the club week in, week out, season in, season out.

Is that a shocker? No, but rather than post titbits and boost profile, those posters should have kept quiet from day one, because, like the 'Chief Egg' as soon as the going gets tough, the info dries up.

I hope that whoever is voted on to the Supporters Trust remembers that it was not just mistrust between board and supporters that has bred over the last 10 years, but within supporters as a whole.

The best case for all is that the new regime keeps 'willing volunteers' at arms length (certainly not employing them for being related to someone else and employed as a favour or because they'll do it on the cheap) and runs the club as a business and not as a social group and family and friends.

Hard pill to swallow for some? Maybe. But, together we are stronger, but some stronger than others is a more accurate portrayal of the situation.

And the news you have been told is what Clan???

just a lot of speculation, people putting 2+2 together allied to the transitional problems and a willingness to blame the departing management, mix in some Chinese Whispers and a few credible people repeating what they've heard (me included) and it all seemed too strong for it not to be true, I don't think it is true now and I wish I'd kept my trap shut.

Ah well, you're never too old to learn!

dont you start!
this needs moderating, I had to post a rebuke earlier and did this as the moderation was, well moderate at best.

Anyway they have stopped now and have been sent to seperate naughty corners until they can post nicely.

Yes i have seen you having a word, try nasty threats though in future it works better.

I see ALL points of view in this little squabble but unless it effects our FUTURE i don't really care, sick of looking into the past.

Lets get to Odsal on sunday and do what we can to lift the team.

If thats the worst thing you are ever guilty of then don't worry about it and yes you are getting old.

Fair enough. I'm not seeking absolution for anyone, but it is a fact that when someone leaves an organisation there are always some skeletons in the cupboard - and usually no-one to defend the departed. In this case it is much worse because of the public nature of the roles involved.

It's not a call to arms - just a bit of reflection.

Excellent post and it is hoped that through the Supporters Trust the supporters work alongside the club and that any info available to fans is available to all and not just the chosen few. It is also hoped that all the fans get a chance to participate in the re building through dialogue and skills.

well I am not part of the loop here either and believe if there is truth to be told then it is told to all

It's like being back in the playground looking at this thead!


I think it's time it got locked and if possible deleted too.

It's a fantastic thread, and it can stay. It shows up everything that's wrong about message boards in a very positive way. Some people may wish to think twice when they see "lockage" in future.

As it is, the vilified minority have been vindicated. More importantly than that, someone has actually showed more balls and good grace than I've seen on here in a long time in admiting a mistake. Lots of positives to take from this thread.