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| Quote ="chapster"Clan
apart from onfield activities, which ones if any, do you know?'"
I don't have a definitive list and it has changed from time to time but
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| Quote ="chapster"just one teensy weensy problem with your thoughs, comaparing our fan base with disgruntled man u fans and barceloanas faithful!!'"
my thoughts did not compare the fan bases. My thoughts mused on the constitutional basis of the new proposal. I realise that the fan bases are different you will note I acknowledged the differing circs.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"You can guess at the answer, chappy. There's an opening for you (if you'll excuse the turn of phrase).'"
never one to turn down an opening!
id love to get to see the books though!!!!
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"The new board would come from the shareholders, thats all shareholders and not just the ones who put in.'"
So the BOD of supporters have paid their cash and then what? what happens when need some cash, Your in real trouble as a director of a company if you havent any free cash,
I suspect that the reasons for the others pulling out is that the liabilites are too great, if the debts were writen off then it would be a very different animal,
Its a massive risk to put in 1k from your hard earned cash, if you can afford to loose it without it bothering you, then it may be worth a risk, But if not dont, Think of it as playing the stock market,
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| Quote ="chapster"never one to turn down an opening!
id love to get to see the books though!!!!'"
It'll cost you a grand.
P.S. Merged your other topic with this one - you may still get the answers.
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| Quote ="Speedy"So the BOD of supporters have paid their cash and then what? what happens when need some cash, Your in real trouble as a director of a company if you havent any free cash,
I suspect that the reasons for the others pulling out is that the liabilites are too great, if the debts were writen off then it would be a very different animal,
Its a massive risk to put in 1k from your hard earned cash, if you can afford to loose it without it bothering you, then it may be worth a risk, But if not dont, Think of it as playing the stock market,'"
It'll be lose change to some...
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| Quote ="Speedy"So the BOD of supporters have paid their cash and then what? what happens when need some cash, Your in real trouble as a director of a company if you havent any free cash,
I suspect that the reasons for the others pulling out is that the liabilites are too great, if the debts were writen off then it would be a very different animal,
Its a massive risk to put in 1k from your hard earned cash, if you can afford to loose it without it bothering you, then it may be worth a risk, But if not dont, Think of it as playing the stock market,'"
You have a chance of a financial return on the stock market. Anyone putting money in would be accepting that they would never see their money again (but that hopefully it would enable the club to continue and get rid of the deadwood that have been running it badly for far too long)
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| Correct Tricky thats the general gist of it
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| Quote ="chapster"ok as one who could be in line for a grands worth and as a tight swine, anyone know the answers to the following
who or what is the alleged 500k for?
is it current debt /past debt or merely to carry on the business as it stands ie pay players
should the figure be raised would all posts within the club held by bod members or their familes be effectively redundant?
and would the sale of any club assets/players be part of the same accounts as the investments made?'"
Historical debt.
BOD would step down. Can't see why any family members who were not on the board would be obliged to resign.
Dunno about the last bit. Ask Eric.
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| Quote ="The Clan"I don't have a definitive list and it has changed from time to time but
Chief Exec
Finance Director
Marketing Director/Manager'"
of the people i go to games with 2 out of three of those we could sort!!!!!
and ill just sweep up afterwards
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"You have a chance of a financial return on the stock market. Anyone putting money in would be accepting that they would never see their money again (but that hopefully it would enable the club to continue and get rid of the deadwood that have been running it badly for far too long)'"
Well thats what i said in effect, if you cant afford to loose it then no matter how emotional it is youve got to sit back and think twice. I read somewhere that this was need within 4 weeks, why that sort of time frame ?
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"Historical debt.
BOD would step down. Can't see why any family members who were not on the board would be obliged to resign.
Dunno about the last bit. Ask Eric.'"
Do we know who we owe the cash to and why they want their money back by the end of the month?
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"Correct Tricky thats the general gist of it'"
fc united fans are guarenteed theres back after a 3 year period
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"You have a chance of a financial return on the stock market. Anyone putting money in would be accepting that they would never see their money again (but that hopefully it would enable the club to continue and get rid of the deadwood that have been running it badly for far too long)'"
Even though ownership would change hands, contracts of employment would remain, and so unless you want to see your £1,000 spent on redundancy/unfair or constructive dismissal, plus lawyer fees, I imagine most would remain. You can't just step in and "get rid of the deadwood", as they have employment rights.
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| Im guessing that to take over the club as an individual the sum would be more than 500k. If you had that amount to spend (i refuse to use the word invest in this context) and you were inclined to spend it on Wakefield why do it now and pay a premium when there is a chance within the next 24 months of picking the club up in NL1 with a realistic proposition of a new stadium on the way and the opportunity to rebuild the club without the artificial and arbitrary pressures brought about by a phoney licencing process.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Even though ownership would change hands, contracts of employment would remain, and so unless you want to see your £1,000 spent on redundancy/unfair or constructive dismissal, plus lawyer fees, I imagine most would remain. You can't just step in and "get rid of the deadwood", as they have employment rights.'"
Yes but some of it resides on the BOD, does the statement mean JK will resign as coach as well? That would be an added bonus.
With regards those in other jobs, I agree you couldn't just get rid of them, but I doubt they know what an annual appraisal is, proper structures in place would measure performance against targets and allow for dismissal of those not producing the necessary level of performance
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| £500k would enable you to buy the club outright
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Even though ownership would change hands, contracts of employment would remain, and so unless you want to see your £1,000 spent on redundancy/unfair or constructive dismissal, plus lawyer fees, I imagine most would remain. You can't just step in and "get rid of the deadwood", as they have employment rights.'"
Thats correct, Tupe rights are invoked along with all liabilities there in (any historic claims, any liabilities under redundancy, terms of previous service, any ongoing litigation,and a lot more)
[uPeople need to be very very careful and legal advice must be taken with a lawyer who deals with company law[/u
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Even though ownership would change hands, contracts of employment would remain, and so unless you want to see your £1,000 spent on redundancy/unfair or constructive dismissal, plus lawyer fees, I imagine most would remain. You can't just step in and "get rid of the deadwood", as they have employment rights.'"
I'm not sure that there are many you would want rid of (Mopsy apart) most do a good job, the likes of Davide Longo, Jimme Elston, Sarah Robinson, the girls in the shop, Francis Stephenson, Steve Dutton etc..
there may be family mambers who don't want to stay on afterwards but if they did then you have to take into account their performance in any given role, they may be (like it or not) the best person for the job.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Yes but some of it resides on the BOD, does the statement mean JK will resign as coach as well? That would be an added bonus.
With regards those in other jobs, I agree you couldn't just get rid of them, but I doubt they know what an annual appraisal is, proper structures in place would measure performance against targets and allow for dismissal of those not producing the necessary level of performance'"
kear is on the bod, there is no end to the torture, more chance of a brucie bonus
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"£500k would enable you to buy the club outright'"
Could we then just sell off the playing squad to recoup our cash.
Sorry, I'll amend... can we just sell off the playing squad to recoup about 8% of our cash ?
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| Quote ="chapster"never one to turn down an opening!
id love to get to see the books though!!!!'" I dont give a dam about the books i am a wakey fan i put my money where my mouth is tomorrow £1000 and a bit more if nessacery and i do not want to pick and chose who runs the club and as far as ted is concerned i would say he has put more in to trin than any of them have or will ever do and who ever gets us out of this mess i would be grateful to help.
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| Quote ="The Clan"I'm not sure that there are many you would want rid of (Mopsy apart) most do a good job, the likes of Davide Longo, Jimme Elston, Sarah Robinson, the girls in the shop, Francis Stephenson, Steve Dutton etc..
there may be family mambers who don't want to stay on afterwards but if they did then you have to take into account their performance in any given role, they may be (like it or not) the best person for the job.'"
clear the lot and get the best candidates in. all these are part of this shambles, steves the kitman so why him. the rest are on the bod
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| Quote ="The Clan"Jimme Elston'"
Apologies but he wouldnt be on my good job list. Rugby player who put on a suit and tie and started talking b*llocks off a cue card... similar to Steve Ferres.
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| Quote ="MR BROWN"I dont give a dam about the books i am a wakey fan i put my money where my mouth is tomorrow £1000 and a bit more if nessacery and i do not want to pick and chose who runs the club and as far as ted is concerned i would say he has put more in to trin than any of them have or will ever do and who ever gets us out of this mess i would be grateful to help.'"
your back then, why dont you buy the club seriously.
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