I understand what you are suggesting just not what action you are suggesting or what you think it will achieve. Are you suggesting we stop going? Don't renew season tickets? don't purchase merchandise? These things would only put the club in a worse position and make it an even worse proposition than it already is. If there are people who wish to take the club on as rumoured why have these people not gone public to force Ted out as anyone wishing to take over the club would have the backing of the vast majority of fans? For me it is not about settling/accepting what we have it is about the reality of the situation that there doesn't seem to be an alternative.


I don't really care about the loyalty one way or the other I just think that Kear has done enough to make me believe that he is capable of picking up some bargain basement players and turning them into quality players as he did with the players we are now complaining that we couldn't keep! I get the feeling though that he may be gone at the end of the season so the debate will be pointless. What I do know is that if we don't make the right appointment then by May next year we will be on here calling for another sacking.



Not knowing who puts what money into the club I would suggest again that if there is someone out there willng to put money in/improve the running of the club then get out there make it public and then the fans can get together and back them now that would be the best way to pressure Ted out but someone has to put themselves forward.


The comment wasn't really about defending Vastman or about the 'well respected' folk who are getting fed up. It was more that having posted on here for many years it becomes obvious that there are a good number who only come on and post when things are going badly. I have no doubt that the vast majority do all want the same thing but I am convinced that there are a number who revel in the misery and back biting of it all and those were the people I was getting at.

Tronc went probably for the best but whats so frustrating why do we let them go so easily? Leeds say to Eastwood you go pal but someone must buy out your contract we are soft and wave them goodbye at the airport and say thanks for coming its pathetic. The tronc thing stinks as he was amazing those first 5 games you cant tell me he can just go awol and play like Kyle Bibb for the next 6 games. It stinks. You say that with Atkins TRB but what frustrates the fans the extra money we could have paid for the likes of fox/atkins we keep players like Bibb/Gleeson even getting that Hyde we could have kept these players with the extra money we pay and bringing players like winterstein/ Paul Johnson a player that was past it 4 years ago. i will let you off with the whole brough thing as we tried so hard to keep him. You must see where we are coming from im just praying this ground will be the end of this suffering ! Just look at wire and hull for example.

It doesn't really matter where you are coming from - the reality is that to run the club, even at the level we do, incurs a tremendous amount of money.

Players / Coaches / Admin / Community / Groundstaff / TAX etc.... they all add up to a figure that is far beyond our income from SKY / Season tickets / Sponsorship / Gate Money / Shop Sales. If outgoings are greater than income then we have to be creative and find ways to survive - and yes, that can include selling assets unfortunately. If that gets us to the point where we can move to our new home and, if we manage that move succesfully, then we have a chance to break the pattern of events. If we don't find ways to survive until then - then what is the point?

As for Tronc - are you serious? Did you see him play in his last 4 or 5 games - he was awful!

Looks like hes drawn you in too then, NGB4C really is very good at this sort of thing isnt he (even with people from his own club)

great post . well said mate. couldn;t agree with you mor and i think there are a lot more out there that are fed up of hearimg them

Its a forum - everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't think anyone at the present time could be accused of moaning for enjoyment - the club, coaching staff and players have given plenty to complain about. In the main, criticism has tended to have an element of logic and explanation to it to fuel reasoned debate.

People may be fed up of hearing criticism (moaning if you want to call it that), but it appears to me that there are more people airing their criticisms as the weeks go by and nothing appears to improve.

You are entitled to be fed up with posters criticising various things, in the same way as those doing the criticising are fed up of the current predicament and fed up of people trying to make excuses for the club and some of its staff.

Well said.

After being a season ticket holder for the last 39 years, I wont be renewing mine for the next season.

trinity have become a pileof drivel these last few years and are jusat not worth the money.

The point is we could do ok in a lower division. So long as we haven't been run into the ground by the clubs apparently terrible managament practices before then lol

I am starting to enjoy the way people are using the length of time they have supported the club to paint a more dramatic picture of them jacking it in! It'd be more impressive if you said I've been going for 1 season and I'm carrying on next season.

People keep banging on about Kear's loyalty to the club or the club's loyalty to Kear seems the place we need loyalty is on the terraces.

People keep banging on about Kear's loyalty to the club or the club's loyalty to Kear seems the place we need loyalty is on the terraces.'"

If we have to rely on the Chairman to keep the club afloat, are all areas of the business running as best and efficiently as they can? Do we employ the right people on the budget we have? Are we over staffed anywhere? Do the dance classes make any money?

We haven't been a pile of drivel since mid-2006. We've had one bad half-season, and even that was peppered with some big wins and hearty displays.

'trinity have become a pile of drivel these last few years' are you sure,the reason this season has been so disappointing is the fact in the last few years there has been improvement,from the Challenge Cup semi to finishing 5th last year,until this year there had been visible improvement on the pitch,so I don't know where you get we've been pile of drivel for a few years from.

Too right, 3 or 4 years ago we'd have been more than happy finishing 4th or 5th from bottom. I'm not suggesting that we should be happy with that but with the resources we have that's still not a bad achievement.
It is partly due to the continuing improvement we have seen that we are now feeling disappointed.

Correct. Shocking year but some bloody good years leading up to it.
He is never happy and is obssessed with being a so called Trinity fan and hating them as well.
Not to mention his hidden agenda ....

Indeed. Some people have short memories

I made the same point several pages ago. This season has been a bad one in the context of the last 4 years. But over the context of 10, 15 or even 30 years this would have been a better than average season.

None of which detracts from my disappointment at what we have seen on the field at times this year but it does help to contextualise the critique of some of our more pessimistic posting peers.

Do you know, I think I can see the little green shoots of positivity on this thread. Take it steady everybody, but by the time next season starts I can see us getting ready for being, dare I say it......hopeful.

Totally agree with the theme of the original post and to those who say getting rid of Ted and Diane wont improve matters, would it hurt to bring in new blood / new ideas - what do they add other than the stigma of having a chairman who has entered into insolvency (if you can't run your own finances should you be running a club?).

If the are contributing financially how - when Ted is insolvent???

I might be totally wrong as i don't have a detailed understanding of the clubs finances nor Teds (who does?) but based on the limited amount in the public domain, for me the first change needed is at that very top and from there on.

Re Diane - nice lady, a supporter - but CE ,not based on what ive seen???

I'm a glass half full supporter but we do need some change here to bring about some positive momentum, as noted before if Feline is struggling then god help us!

This may all be very true but there doesn't seem to be anybody wanting to take these roles or to take the club on. Should I win the euro millions I'll buy the club but until then somebody else will have to do it.

With regard to our management, the problem isn't with the people putting the money in, it is the people running the club. Doesn't have to be the same thing (although of course it often is in a smaller business).

As an example, but not the only one, I have no doubt our CE would not get a similar role in a retail business of similar size.
I we want one who can run a business of this size, we need to pay those kind of big bucks.

In my opinion, in spite of all the discussion over new players, I'd rather spend money on someone who has experience of running a successful sporting club or at least a trouble shooter who can put it right, than another prop.

That's not to say all those involved in the club are poor, not by a long shot...... but while ever we are employing family members and keen fans rather than professionals who know what they are doing, we will always be the small town club and we will always be, as the title of the thread says "sick of the cheap option".

Ted Richardson has contributed financially to club for years, he doesn’t believe in it. However, he is perfectly happy for his family to make a good living out of it.

I don't disagree with you. I did say that with hindsight it turned out to be the wrong decision. The gloom at Belle Vue has been to do with performances, and I suspect that it wasn't appreciated at the time how bad performances were going to get. We had Jeffries and Obst, we had shown that we could perform without the heavy-browed one, and so I could understand why the financial considerations took priority at the time. The fact that the financial side suffered in the end was just the way it turned out. Like with refs, people are entitled to make mistakes, provided that the decision made initially was understandable.

Had the players put in more consistently decent performances, maybe the Brough thing would be no big deal. It is debatable whether Brough being here would have stopped teams putting 50+ on us. That happened easily enough with Brough in the side against Huddersfield. Maybe the season would have turned out the same way, if you think of that as part of the slide.