That's right. I saw him at Belle Vue a few weeks ago on the terraces, in his [size=150Rhinos[/size cap. Decent bloke, and friendly, but you need more than niceness to be a good coach.

Players who Kear bought, no? (I assume Kear is still in overall controll of player recruitment - but stand to be corrected if this is not the case).

I think it's the manner of the defeats that have been the most alarming. I've lost count of the number of teams that have put 40 points plus on us. As soon as the opposition get more than 6 points ahead of us, heads seem to go down and we implode.

Unlikely as it seems now I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we perform against saints (however we'll almost certainly get tonked by shudds the week after).

If it's true JK applied for the Bulls job - we should let him go. Can't be doing much for the players motivation if the coach is desperate for another job.

I don't see your arguement. Just because he decided to recruit Brough, Tronc and Newton does not mean it is his fault it turned out like it did.
Brough, we got our moneys worth.
Newton, he didn't exactly tell anyone what he was doing. How was Kear to know.
Tronc, was a good signing and his success in SL and then back down under shows he was a good player. As has been discussed, there are a few reasons why he left, but none of them are, couldn't get on with coach or players, so again, how was he to know.

He should be judged on his talent as a coach, and in that area, he has improved players that were regarded as nobodies elsewhere an made a good team out of them. Now with a broken team we are only just off the pace and may well get back into it yet.

And overall, his recruitment has been good to a club where it is unlikely the top players will stay because of the money situation. The likes of Morrison would not come here in the first place if not for Kear.

See, this is the problem for me. You can't have it both ways for player recruitment, and praise Kear when it suit yet conveniently bury your head in the sand when things go wrong. It's all or nothing in my opinion, I think its a major double standard.

If you sign a rogue/maverick/missfit/project/cast off (or whatever else you want to call them, but you know what I mean) and the gamble works you can't fairly take the praise if you are not willing to shoulder the blame when you your prize scrum half (who has a history of volatile behaviour combined with what appears to be huge financial problems) sods off for more money elsewhere becuase he is skint (apparently).

You can't take the praise when you sign a player with disciplinary problems from a lower league club and make progress with him (Moore) but shug your shoulders when the loose cannon with disciplinary problems and a history of doing stupid things (Newton) turns out to do a stupid thing. You can't take the praise for having a hand in turning a NL1 standard winger from York into a player wanted by other clubs and getting international honours but then stick your fingers in your ears and pretend its not happening when you sign a tempremental and controversial half back with a record of fitness problems and off field disciplinary issues that turns out to be just that.

Reference Tronc, wasn't there a rumour nocking around that he had pulled the old "homesick" card before? Granted its just a rumour, but hey ho.

If the guys responsible for player recruitment don't do their homework reference player recruitment who does? For every Morrison, Moore or Fox there is Riley / Cooke/ winterstain / Newton balancing it out and then some.

Ultimately Kear will sink or swim according to his signings and subsequently there performance on the pitch - and we have played well twice since Easter by my recconing - simply not good enough in my view.

Ok, you make a fair point there, but that still only makes it a break even at worsed. Newton and Tronc went wrong but Brough was good long enough to say Kear made a good decision.
The problem he has is that he develops lower level players and makes them better, but as a club we can't keep them when they have a higher profile once they've improved. Like Snitch and Wilkes and even Atkins.

So I agree with what you say, I think I just see more successes than you do. Just a different view, not head in sand.

Hes a gash coach with out- dated methods and ive been saying it for months.

We should of got rid to Catalans when we had the chance.,because we cant afford now to pay off the remainder of his contract.

Ive heard all the pros and cons,but the buck stops with him.
Garbage performances.
Garbage team selection.
Garbage defense
Garbage ideas and creativity
We also look unfit and slow.

The style of rugby we have been served up with this season shows JK up for his limited coaching ideas.

Yes once upon a time he saved us from relegation,yes once upon a time he could polish a turd player,but im afraid we are getting consistently below average performances from the average players he has at his disposal.
Sorry JK,but the fairytale has turned into a horror story.

Thanks for your efforts and bye bye

He can only field what the club can afford.

I understand it's frustrating for all of us who are Trinity through & through. Is it JK's fault Brough wanted to go? Is it JK's fault the spineless Tronc wanted to go home for a few more beach BBQ's? Did JK inject Terry with Jonny Vegas drugs to bulk him up?

No.

Rip up all your pre-season, your pivotal players gone and your season is well and truely poop.

Sign inadequate replacements (that were only available at the time and what the club could/can/want to afford) and this is what we're left with. We'll have to stick with it until the end of this season.

There's no doubt there's going to be a lot of player personnel change after this season and let's wait and see what 'calibre' it is.

If, once again, we end up with over-the-hill-end-of-career type of individuals, the fans will make their own mind up.

We're not stupid.....well, some of us aren't.

See you Sunday!

PS - If we're all going Willie Poching crazy, can't he carry the water for us instead of Leeds?

I think I bought the same shower.. it only ran red hot or freezing cold, but I took it back to B&Q and they gave me a refund. Has JK kept the receipt?

Maybe not! But a coach born in Cas who still watches them for pleasure wouldn't be ideal either!



Either a coach of a NL side or a someone young and fresh from SL's highest level, someone learning the ropes who has been around a World club championship winning side. Someone who has a player not only played extremely well for Wakefield but also gave 110% and encouraged his team-mates. "FOSTERS!!!"

Seems so obvious it hurts.

I agree, if he'd just signed the NRL dream team for last year then we wouldn't be in this mess! Is he thick or something?

not one for mr mopsey, but im really gettin bored of watchin wakey play... its just becoming mind numbing..

and i am judgeing wakey over the last 15 games, not the 1st 8 ...

how do u think we are playing... what wud u change...

Glorified water boy - get a grip Willie and Franny have run that club for the last 3 years and every man and his dog knows that!

Great up and coming coach - give him a chance!!

A number of players are not up to scratch and we are playing some pretty dire rugby league. However this could be said for all but a very small number of seasons over the last 20 years. Thing is is there any real evidence that anybody else would be any better or be able to sign any better players? History says not as Kear has produced better league finishes and a better cup run than pretty much every coach in the last 20 years. If there is someone out there who wants to coach us has a proven track record of getting results in SL or better standard on a shoe string budget then I am more than happy to see Kear walk. What I don't want is Kear to go to be replaced by Broadbent because he's the cheapest option or poching because he's a really nice guy and used to play for us.

I dont think anyone can argue that without JK we would have been in the Championship - but thats where kear is at is best 6 games to go, written off by everyone and he comes up with the goods.

Over the last 2 seasons we have puched well above our weight however we have had players who can win us games. Whilst JK has been unlucky this season with the loss of Newton, Tronc and the dubious sale of Brough after already losing some big name players from last seasons team I think the players are now looking like they need a change.

I think JK has taken us as far as he can and done a great job - however when our form is that up and down and players seem to be struggling for motivation and desire you have to question JK's position and the book does stop with him. If we do win this weekend this only highlights this even further!!!

Also, recently the opposition seems to be outsmarting us and non more so that Sunday - that second half Kear had no idea how to change things and the players looked even more clueless. Plus we are also starting to play a brand of rugby that is seriously boring and seems to be getting worse and worse.

Time for a change - I can sense a big willie coming our way...

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Not the fact hes been assistant coach at the League champions for the past 3 seasons, will bring a winning fresh culture to the club and along with Franny has basically run the Rhinos at first team level.

If this is true why are the Rhinos getting rid of the two people who have masterminded their triple winning team? Also it's alright winning trophies on the back of 17,000+ crowds and money to have provern international quality players in most positions but it's a bit different with no money and only able to sign cast offs and gambling on those who have gone off the rails.

Really? Why is McClennan in a job and those two leaving?

This thread is comedy gold.

=#FF0000I you have nothing sensible to add to the topic don't bother.


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From what iv heard they are a bit fed up at Leeds with certain ppl ie Barrie Mcdermott being Head of Youth and is never there at the club due to TV commitments, Bluey is difficult to work with and also they feel they are ready to step upto first team head coach.

Do you honestly think Leeds would get rid of them otherwise?? Theres a bigger picture going on behind the scenes at Leeds at the moment. You only have to look at their stuttering academy at present ie conceding 90+ points at warrington.

Im also not denying they have money and international players through the board but even so they must be doing something right to win it 3 years on the bounce. I also dont distpute the fact that being Head Coach at wakey on a budget and wheeling and dealing is totally different. However, young coaches of this calibre (you can include Francis Cummings in this too) are not flying round at the moment.

If Kear was to go either Franny or Willie would be my first choice to replace him.

I class myself as one of the get Kear out crowd. 2 wins in the last 13, pee poor rugby and the fact that he is clearly trying to find another job are the simple reasons - He has done well for us in the past and has made a reasonable living out of his time with us - the relationship is no longing working to either parties benefit and therefore a termination is the only solution

We are being told that the club cannot attract decent players cos of the uncertainty over the franchise - so far the players we are linked with are distinctly average and/or unproven at SL level

hes never beat a fellow sl team in knock out rugby while at trinity so he can thank his cup run to lick of draw and nothing else

Did'nt we beat Salford in 2008

Don't think they were a SL side at the time