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| Quote ="Ray Price Is God"We must have planned for Newton, Brough & Tronc to be here all season though, so what would have happened to us if they hadnt gone???
I understand what you are saying with regards to the recession etc but if we didnt have the sponsorship funds at the start of the season we shouldnt have still been trying to sign players (Paul King) so late on. Alternatively if a sponsor has not come forward with the promised cash then this should somehow be communicated back to the fans. Even if its just at an Audience with or something.
As supporters all we can see is 3 of the rumoured top earners leaving and been replaced by various cheaper options. I dont for one minute doubt our board are doing what they feel is best for the club but i can see why people get dissilusioned by it all.
In the last 2 years we have supposedly been bidding for the likes of Greg Bird & Sean Long and more recently offering Brough the biggest contract in the clubs history yet a few months later we dont have the funds to replace the players that have left??????'"
Agreed - I don't think that's unreasonable at all and, FWIW, I too think an 'Audience With..' or even just a meeting with Ted & Co would not go amiss right now. I will pass on!
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| Quote ="Ray Price Is God"We must have planned for Newton, Brough & Tronc to be here all season though, so what would have happened to us if they hadnt gone???
I understand what you are saying with regards to the recession etc but if we didnt have the sponsorship funds at the start of the season we shouldnt have still been trying to sign players (Paul King) so late on. Alternatively if a sponsor has not come forward with the promised cash then this should somehow be communicated back to the fans. Even if its just at an Audience with or something.
As supporters all we can see is 3 of the rumoured top earners leaving and been replaced by various cheaper options. I dont for one minute doubt our board are doing what they feel is best for the club but i can see why people get dissilusioned by it all.
In the last 2 years we have supposedly been bidding for the likes of Greg Bird & Sean Long and more recently offering Brough the biggest contract in the clubs history yet a few months later we dont have the funds to replace the players that have left??????'"
Think this post sums up how a lot of us fans feel, my big bug about all this is the timing of it all, ie mid season, think I could have coped with it in the off season but not now.
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| Quote ="Ray Price Is God"As supporters all we can see is 3 of the rumoured top earners leaving and been replaced by various cheaper options. I dont for one minute doubt our board are doing what they feel is best for the club but i can see why people get dissilusioned by it all.
In the last 2 years we have supposedly been bidding for the likes of Greg Bird & Sean Long and more recently offering Brough the biggest contract in the clubs history yet a few months later we dont have the funds to replace the players that have left??????'"
Spot on.
For me it's always been the same. Big players leave and everyone gets excited about the prospect of new signings with the money we've made or freed up in wages, then nothing happens.
Look at when Ellis left. Didn't we get 200k for him and free his wage up? Where did that money go?
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Spot on.
For me it's always been the same. Big players leave and everyone gets excited about the prospect of new signings with the money we've made or freed up in wages, then nothing happens.
Look at when Ellis left. Didn't we get 200k for him and free his wage up? Where did that money go?'"
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The Ellis/Solomona thing has been done to death. Next you'll be asking where the Atkins money has gone?
Brough has gone, Trinity need a replacement however are there any available right now who fit the bill. Tronc has gone, a replacement is being sought after, yet is there anyone available who will be of the same quality and what’s to come to the club. Things are not black and white.
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| Quote ="Ray Price Is God"As supporters all we can see is 3 of the rumoured top earners leaving and been replaced by various cheaper options. I dont for one minute doubt our board are doing what they feel is best for the club but i can see why people get dissilusioned by it all.
In the last 2 years we have supposedly been bidding for the likes of Greg Bird & Sean Long and more recently offering Brough the biggest contract in the clubs history yet a few months later we dont have the funds to replace the players that have left??????'"
That was exactly my point. If you compare this seasons squad to last, you can logically match up the players going out to the players coming in. The two exceptions to that are Brough and Drew. Yes we all know what happened to Newton, and obviously, he was the sensible replacement to Drew, but to date, his salary remains unaccounted for. It is well documented that the offer made to Danny Brough was the biggest in the clubs history, an offer that was negotiated through the comings and goings of Drew and Newton not instead of. I am aware that we now have Paul Cooke on our books, and reading between the lines, he doesn't come cheap, but even on a large salary he isn't earning the combined income of Brough and Drew/Newton. You don't need to know the financial workings of the club, nor claim to being an accountant, to work out that there must be spare money available.
There isn't a mass of players there waiting for WTW to come a calling, we don't have that appeal, we are just not that club. The point i'm making is, if we don't have spare money available, and we can't afford to bring in new players, why?
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| I don't profess to know anything about the salaries of players, but surely when the gain of Drew's salary is accounted for then consideration has to be given to incoming players eg Morrison, BJ, Millard etc
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| But then you have atkins, snitch, wilkes, grix, stosic etc...
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| ok, look at it this way, on a like for like basis, a rough look at the comings and goings.
INCOMING / OUTGOING
Brough / Cooke
Newton / Drew
Morrison / Snitch
Tronc / Stosic
Millard / Atkins
King / Wilkes
Jeffries / Grix
Gledhill / Pitts
Hyde / Southernwood
Johnson - +1 on last years squad, rolling contract as stated pre season
Kirmond - +2 on last years squad, salary paid by Huddersfield
7 academy players
If the fee for atkins went on the tax bill, that's fair enough. If i've missed any, I apologise. But unless Cooke is being paid in excess of 150k and Johnson is on in excess of 80k then i'd say it's a pretty safe bet we've got a few quid to spare.
I'm simply making the point that there should very well be money available. If there isn't then there are bigger troubles than the playing staff ahead.
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| Some fair points being made regarding income and outgoings etc.....
But just lets say we do have circa £100k wage available.
Who would you sign?
Player has to be firstly available and secondly want to come.
If a player is available at this moment,i would doubt he is a player that merits a £100k salary,more chance that he is a fringe player.
If hes a fringe player he is unlikely to add any quality over and above what we already have -- so whats the point of signing him.
If the player isnt available --- do we want to pay a fee? Highly unlikely!!!!!
Personally if we are in the market looking at fringe players -- aka Charlie Laeona,i would prefer us to use what we have at our disposal,rather than spend money on another overseas player.Or if we dont have players capable of the step up just yet,maybe look at a season loan from a fringe player at another club.
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| An Audience With or a meeting with Ted is a very good idea and should be arrange in very quick so that supporters can be brought fully up to date regarding what is happening with the club's finances especiallyas I believe it is no longer neccessary to hold share holders meetings.
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| Quote ="wakeytom"[uI think fans like yourself need to pull your heads out of the sand and realise this year we have lost 3 players on big contracts and not replaced them,[/u you can talk rubbish about the recesion all day long but these 3 salaries will have been in this years cash flow forecasts so in reality is money available to spend unless they work on a "hope the cash comes in to cover the bills" basis which I am afraid if that's the case we do not deserve to be in business'"
I dont want to stick up for TRB because he is more than capable of doing that himself, all the man is doing is trying to do is calm things down and put things into a clearer prospective for those that cannot see the wood for the trees'. Yes we have lost 3 high profile players and only replaced them with 1 allegedly anyway, we only got him because of the circumstances between him and his club otherwise we probably would not have got anyone. In case you hadnt realised we are in towards the middle of the season and good players are not in abundance at the moment. Unlike some on here I do not pretend to be an authority on accountancy but I am sure that there will be money available as an when a good player/players' become available till then why spend money on any Tom Dick or Harry just for the sake of spending, or alternatively we could do what a lot of people on here are clambering for and that is give a couple of the young uns a go until better opportunities present themselves.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Who would you sign?
Player has to be firstly available and secondly want to come.
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Good point. Who is out ther and who would want to come. Do we go for a quick fix and get an import who's wife will be homesick after a couple of weeks, or a single lad import who misses his mum's Sunday dinner and couldn't pull a bird up Westgate to save his life.
I've just been for a walk in Coxley Woods and I didn't see decent props and scrum halves growing on the trees.
Even if you've got the brass, if the shop aint got your size you can't buy.
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| i agree but not only must the player want to come to us we need him to WANT to stay also..as for westgate, if you can't pull there then there are always the latex gloves (see the physios for location)
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| Quote ="1948er"An Audience With or a meeting with Ted is a very good idea and should be arrange in very quick so that supporters can be brought fully up to date regarding what is happening with the club's finances especiallyas I believe it is no longer neccessary to hold share holders meetings.'"
Why is it unnecessary to hold a shareholders meeting?
That’s the only reason I bought the shares!
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Why is it unnecessary to hold a shareholders meeting?
That’s the only reason I bought the shares!'"
Dont worry he is ill informed and due to the recent share issue there will be every need for an AGM etc which as a share holder you are entitled to attend.
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| Like a few people have said it isn't as easy as some people think to find a quality player who is not tied to a club,who doesn't want a ton of money and a long contract.All the top players are not available but the few that may be available which looking around means a NRL player which would take time to even get into negotiations and then they must want to come and then for the right price.All us lot would be the first to moan if Kear brought in a NRL player who turned out to be a joke and worse got stuck with said joke for 2 years.
Kear knows we need a couple of players but I think he will be canny about who ever he signs and he will be determined to get the right players to fit in this team for the right price which might take a little longer than we all want.
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| Quote ="LyndsayGill"single lad import who misses his mum's Sunday dinner and couldn't pull a bird up Westgate to save his life.'"
If they can't pull on Westgate, they aren't making enough of their 'average rugby league player' status - there's a certain type that throws themselves at them!
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"If they can't pull on Westgate, they aren't making enough of their 'average rugby league player' status - there's a certain type that throws themselves at them!'"
The way some of them tackled on Saturday they'd probably fall off a bird.
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| According to this:
[urlhttp://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/169123/Leeds-winger-Lee-Smith-allowed-to-play-[/url
our mate Charlie isn't coming as he can't get a visa...
Foam fingers at the ready... "another one bites the dust"
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| Quote ="gowerthegroap"According to this:
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our mate Charlie isn't coming as he can't get a visa...
Foam fingers at the ready... =#BF0040"another one bites the dust"'"
Or does it?
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| Quote ="TRB"Or does it?
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It will as soon as I sponsor it.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"It will as soon as I sponsor it.'"
Awww, don't be like that! Smile!
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| Quote ="TRB"Awww, don't be like that! Smile!
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your at it again do you know something
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| Quote ="gowerthegroap"According to this:
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From that article:
Quote LEEDS winger Lee Smith was last night given the green light to play in Saturday’s Challenge Cup fourth- round blockbuster at Hull.
England man Smith, who has just returned from a brief spell in rugby union, was found guilty of illegal use of his knees on Hull stand-off Jordan Turner in the Super League clash between the two sides last Sunday but escaped suspension and a fine. He was cleared on a second charge of using his knees on Shaun Berrigan in the same game'"
Now that IS a surprise.
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