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| its a shame this typical Wakey aint it allways bloody something lol. Not our fault at all though. It maybe such a sad end to a great career. Well is he gets a 2 year ban sack him and get another prop as Bibb is not upto it.
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"Would suggest IF this is true, then the actual act of drug taking happaned before he began his Wakey contract.'"
don't quote me on this but i'd have thought that terry would have been registered as a wakefield player at the time of his testing
if i am wrong,does anyone actually know when players contract end/begin?
i believe it is in early november of each year????
innocent until proven guilty of course is turry!
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| Quote ="The Chin's Back"don't quote me on this but i'd have thought that terry would have been registered as a wakefield player at the time of his testing
if i am wrong,does anyone actually know when players contract end/begin?
i believe it is in early november of each year????
innocent until proven guilty of course is turry!'"
He'll have been a contracted Wakey player at the time of testing, yes. Whether he took the substance before or after joining Wakey is another matter, however, this really doesn't matter, whichever club he was at its not their fault, the player had the substance inside him, and, unless it was a substance administered by said club, then it is no fault of their own.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"He'll have been a contracted Wakey player at the time of testing, yes. Whether he took the substance before or after joining Wakey is another matter, however, this really doesn't matter, whichever club he was at its not their fault, the player had the substance inside him, and, unless it was a substance administered by said club, then it is no fault of their own.'"
i agree mate
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"How do you know that Terry's wasn't administered in some medication, maybe when he had treatment for I believe a shoulder injury in the close season.
You have no evidence of what he has taken, no more than I or anyone else on this or any board so I suggest that you refrain from blaming anyone until the facts come out in the investigation/hearing. Unless you are still bitter about Sunday but I'm sure you're not because you're bigger than that are'nt you.'"
sorry mate, in all the controversy, forgot what happened sunday?
did we win?
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| When I heard that some bad news was on the way for the game this weekend, I just hoped and hoped that it wasn't going to be us!!!
One word sums this up for me.... FECK
Takes the shine of the good year we have had so far!
That said we should not act as victims... If Newton is found guilty I hope they throw the book at him... ( and he is banned from Wakefield Trinity for life)... if he is innocent I hope that truth comes out quickly!
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| Can someone explain why the results have taken so long please?, Don't really know much about testing!
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| Quote ="W.T.W"Can someone explain why the results have taken so long please?, Don't really know much about testing!'"
from what i understand from friends who deal with this kind of stuff its because this was the second test, which takes up to 3 months to come through and is more conclusive than the initial testing.
to be honest doesnt look good, but again no facts to deal with so who knows?
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| I think a few people on here need to keep quiet at least until we find out if it's recreational or not before casting Tez to the fire and brimstone.
If it is recreational then I think a few people (in the media especially) need to rein themselves in at the risk of being hypocritical.
If nothing else I hope others, in all walks of life, who take recreational drugs and are in a position of influence, take this case as an opportunity have a good think about themselves.
The effects can be more far reaching than people think.
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| Quote ="chapster"from what i understand from friends who deal with this kind of stuff its because this was the second test, which takes up to 3 months to come through and is more conclusive than the initial testing.
to be honest doesnt look good, but again no facts to deal with so who knows?'"
I work in an industry where a failed alcohol or drugs test means that the employee is removed from duty and suspended after the first failed test... a failed second test results in prosecution under the law (OHS Legistaltion), and the removal of the persons industry work permit for life! At the test the employee must list every medicine, over the counter drug or food supplement they have taken, failure to declare also results in suspension, and removal from work and pay until the matter is resolved. This is written into contract, sub-contract and briefed to every member of staff... they are even required to sign to say they understand and will comply with the process...
yet we still have two or three failures every time we have a round of testing...
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| The facts are that he has "failed" a test and this is confirmed by a second test.
I cant see what difference or mitigation it would make being recreational use ?
However if it was taken specifically to allow him train pre-season and therefore be available to play for the first games of the season then I might have a legitimate cause for complaint as well the opposition clubs involved might have also.
The fact it is a Trinity player is totally irrelevant IMHO the act diminishes the whole of the game.
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| Quote ="mat"hudsons test which he failed was taken whilst he was still playing for cas so dont see how that can layed at bradfords door.
Newton played his last game for bradford 4 months before the failed test and afaik he stopped training with bradford immediately after that game as he had a season ending injury. Seriously doubt theres anything he could allegedly take that would show up in a test 4 months later. so again dont see how it can be linked to bradford.'"
No club nowadays instructs, encourages or even condones the use of banned substances performance enhancing or otherwise so I don't think this whatever the outcome should reflect badly on any club.
It's a personal choice.
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| Quote ="chapster"from what i understand from friends who deal with this kind of stuff its because this was the [size=150second test[/size, which takes up to 3 months to come through and is more conclusive than the initial testing.
to be honest doesnt look good, but again no facts to deal with so who knows?'"
So when was his first test
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"I dont consider I was trolling
It was a legitimate question regardless of the clubs involved.
IF any player KNOWINGLY takes a performance enhancing drug which is designed to allow him to train pre-season through an injury and the said player then is selected to play in 2 early season games arent the opposition clubs involved entitled to express some concern and maybe seek some form of consideration. ?????'"
You may have a point...
depending on the type of drug, the timing of the first test and the sharing of this information with the club, the league and the player, the RFL by-Laws affecting this issue...
but as we know nothing of any of those issues... it's an irrelevant point based on pure conjecture and speculation...
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"I dont consider I was trolling
It was a legitimate question regardless of the clubs involved.
IF any player KNOWINGLY takes a performance enhancing drug which is designed to allow him to train pre-season through an injury and the said player then is selected to play in 2 early season games arent the opposition clubs involved entitled to express some concern and maybe seek some form of consideration. ?????'"
a) The RFl weren't advised of the positive test until 15/02 so they can't be expected to consider any results before that.
b) you sound like Peter Hood after Millenium Magic 2007. Give us our points back!
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"
a) The RFl weren't advised of the positive test until 15/02 so they can't be expected to consider any results before that.
b) you sound like Peter Hood after Millenium Magic 2007. Give us our points back!'"
a) Think you missed this bit
Quote It was a legitimate question regardless of the clubs involved.'"
b) Think you missed this bit
Quote It was a legitimate question regardless of the clubs involved.'"
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| Quote ="underground"You may have a point...
depending on the type of drug, the timing of the first test and the sharing of this information with the club, the league and the player, the RFL by-Laws affecting this issue...
but as we know nothing of any of those issues... it's an irrelevant point based on pure conjecture and speculation...'"
Thats why I said.... IF and of course you are right until we know ALL the facts. So I will get back to you then.
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"a) Think you missed this bit
b) Think you missed this bit
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Think you missed this bit:
[ia) The RFl weren't advised of the positive test until 15/02 so they can't be expected to consider any results before that[/i
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| [size=150=#BF0040Thread Cleaned Up!
No one has been found guilty of anything - yet.
Not any player or any club. This board will not become a kangaroo court for any individual or for any club.
Any posts which could, in any circumstances, be deemed to cross this line, will be removed - and the poster either warned or banned themselves.
No leniency! [/size
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Think you missed this bit:
[ia) The RFl weren't advised of the positive test until 15/02 so they can't be expected to consider any results before that[/i'"
Sorry not relevant IMHO
If a convicted cheat plays in a game or games then his effect on the outcome should at least be considered.
I am not saying what the outcome of any consideration should be only that there must be some review regardless of the clubs involved.
I would qualify this by also saying the conviction MUST be for performance ehancing drugs...recreational use is not a consideration here IMHO.
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| Here's a thought.
Newton was injured late last season. What if he ill advisedly took some "drug" or "medicine" to help him with the injury.
Remember it has happened before with Kieron Cunningham, so until the actual charges / results are confirmed it is probably better we keep our powder dry.
Let's wait and see before hanging him out to dry.
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| What does this mean for wakefield then, its obviously bad publicity, but will there be a fine or anything?
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| Quote ="wakeyjosh"What does this mean for wakefield then, its obviously bad publicity, but will there be a fine or anything?'"
I doubt it - there's not a lot that a club can do to interfere with what a player does in his own time, Trinity arn't responsible unless they have administered the medicine that contains the substance.
I really hope it is a mix up, it'd be a real shame for Terry to end a long and successful career in disgrace.
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| Well judging by the recent RFL discipliniary decisions if he played for Warrington he would be let off.
Thought Boots N All was so bad its laughable.
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| Quote ="TRB"[size=150=#BF0040Thread Cleaned Up!
No one has been found guilty of anything - yet.
Not any player or any club. This board will not become a kangaroo court for any individual or for any club.
Any posts which could, in any circumstances, be deemed to cross this line, will be removed - and the poster either warned or banned themselves.
No leniency! [/size'"
I have heard judge judy is recruting she wants an assistant I'm going to put your name forward TRB. But can you part with Ted? Thats the question?
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