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| I dont post very much on here these days. I have been very close to all the various schemes and plans over many years regarding the stadium. Some were obvious fakes from the out set, while others seemed genuine only to fail to come to fruition. As a result I am very cynical these days, but I do feel there is something very positive about this latest scheme. OK it may not be all we expected, but is probably enough to satisfy all the stadium criteria and ensure the clubs long term future.
Why am I a bit more optimistic ? Simple, this is the first real scheme that Peter Box has not been in power to manipulate the outcome. If this happens then you can draw your own conclusions as to the true reason there has been so many past failures.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"I dont post very much on here these days. I have been very close to all the various schemes and plans over many years regarding the stadium. Some were obvious fakes from the out set, while others seemed genuine only to fail to come to fruition. As a result I am very cynical these days, but I do feel there is something very positive about this latest scheme. OK it may not be all we expected, but is probably enough to satisfy all the stadium criteria and ensure the clubs long term future.
Why am I a bit more optimistic ? Simple, this is the first real scheme that Peter Box has not been in power to manipulate the outcome. If this happens then you can draw your own conclusions as to the true reason there has been so many past failures.'"
As you know PB, once Thornes failed I argued that BV was the only way forward. I didn’t buy NM and I don’t think you did either, it stank of Peter Box but tbf on all involved it was worth pursuing.
However once NM failed I feel we should have gone all out for BV, the all for a nee development simply wasn’t there. Never was, heck it wasn’t even there for Cas.
It’s tragic we lost so much time chasing a dream. It was tragic that we took that swines advise and didn’t buy BV when it was up for a song. We’ve lost 5 years and are a million plus out of pocket.
Still like you I feel it is at last moving after 16 long years. It wouldn’t have happened at all had the fans not rallied around the SWAG cause. Ultimately fan power and an honest club leadership may finally have prevailed. Shame it took so much time, sweat and tears.
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| Quote ="Trinity1964"The plans to upgrade the floodlights got me thinking as to when the 4 pylons for the existing lights were erected. I was surprised to find they were put up in 1992 to replace the 8 pylons ( 4 either side ) which were fitted in 1967. Remember the opening of the lights in 1967, Yorkshire v Australia when big Neil played a blinder to turn the Aussies over.'"
That night and the Championship final replay at Swinton are the 2 best experiences in my entire 55+ years following Trinity.
Fingers crossed for the stadium revamp - it’s what the club, the supporters and the City need and deserve.
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| Those 2 matches stick out in my mind too after watching Trinity since 1960. The Yorkshire v Australia match was incredible. Supposed to be meeting my mate at scoreboard end. Never did find him in the 19,000 plus crowd I think it was. Went to that Replay at Swinton against Saints. Happy days.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"After several failed plans, fingers crossed that this goes ahead. The plans do look good though.
I’m a bit cautious though in reading this, as Yorkourt’s name has been mentioned.
Hopefully, this is phase one, with East and North Stand in these plans, with further phase(s) for South and West. It wouldn’t look right, just two sides being revamped.
Having sat in offices in the Benidorm flats, I disagree. On a cold day, they are very cold and cheerless. I’m sure MC said the same about the warmth in them a while back. They have, or did have electric storage heaters, which weren’t very energy efficient.
Not sure on the 4G pitch though, given the quality on our playing surface, unless maybe there is the possibility of maybe one of our local football sides moving in too.'"
The ladies football team, retweeted the tweet and stated it was womens superleague standard, so I guess they will be playing there
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| I too went to the Championship final at Swinton as did 34,000 others. Left home at 3.30pm to catch one of the many supporters buses. A fantastic evening ending with Harold lifting the trophy and finally getting home at 2.30 am. No M62 in those days but a night that those who were there will never forget, and as a bonus I won 10 bob on the sweep with Ray Owen scoring the first try.
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| Love the pics....
Looks really good...
But surely they could have taken them when there wasn't snow on the pitch or on the new car park.
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| Quote ="djcool"The ladies football team, retweeted the tweet and stated it was womens superleague standard, so I guess they will be playing there'"
I never thought of them to be honest.
I was thinking more Ossett United or Wakefield AFC. On Wakefield AFC page, they have a plan to get them in the 4th tier of English football by 2032, and I think Ossett have a similar plan. I also believe MC has links with the Ossett club and it’s management.
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| Has any else on here contacted their local councillors yet? I’ve just emailed the Horbury/South Ossett three, asking them to support the Wakefield trinity application, and also support the Enabling Development, which we are relying on for considerable funding of the stadium redevelopment. I received a positive reply within minutes from councillor Byford.
Does anyone know the dates for the planning meeting. I doubt the public will be admitted, due to Covid restrictions.
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| John Minards mentioned in his stadium statement, a “Fan Zone” to be created behind the new East Stand. Can someone explain to me what a Fan Zone is. I’ve looked it up and it’s defined as
“ A fan zone is the name for an area or public space which has been designed for fans without tickets, allowing them to come together and still feel part of the action.
The concept has really taken off over the past decade. Often created close to the actual ‘field of play’, fan zones are created at all manner of sporting venues. Usually open up hours before the main event gets underway and often remaining open following the final whistle.
They are also known as fan villages and community extension areas in some places.”
Is this a posh name for a beer and burger bar?
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"John Minards mentioned in his stadium statement, a “Fan Zone” to be created behind the new East Stand. Can someone explain to me what a Fan Zone is. I’ve looked it up and it’s defined as
“ A fan zone is the name for an area or public space which has been designed for fans without tickets, allowing them to come together and still feel part of the action.
The concept has really taken off over the past decade. Often created close to the actual ‘field of play’, fan zones are created at all manner of sporting venues. Usually open up hours before the main event gets underway and often remaining open following the final whistle.
They are also known as fan villages and community extension areas in some places.”
Is this a posh name for a beer and burger bar?'"
It’s normally where they put promotions on mainly for kids to join in, a bit of sponsorship displays and so on to accommodate supporters before the game, works well at some football games and the Magic weekends at Newcastle. Don’t worry DS you don’t have to bye anything if you don’t want to, just your usual pie and peas
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| They have a Fanzone at Oakwell in the carpark behind the East Stand, which mainly consists of a makeshift bar seating area and stage to allow prematch meetings for a pint. a chat and a bit of music prior to k.o.. It's very popular with kids when the weather's agreeable. Could be quite a money spinner for WT.
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| Does anyone on here, know he long it takes for the council planning office, to list a planning application on their portal? I’ve had a look on wmdc planning application site, and the last entry for anything WT, was fo “Remove tree, due to damage to property” July 2020. Perhaps I might not be using the right key words in the search box, but I think the application hasn’t been listed yet.
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| A week or two for it to be validated.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"A week or two for it to be validated.'"
That’s quick, is that the same as passed or is that just the start?
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| Quote ="vastman"That’s quick, is that the same as passed or is that just the start?'"
That's just to say the council have everything they need to begin the application process.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Does anyone on here, know he long it takes for the council planning office, to list a planning application on their portal? I’ve had a look on wmdc planning application site, and the last entry for anything WT, was fo “Remove tree, due to damage to property” July 2020. Perhaps I might not be using the right key words in the search box, but I think the application hasn’t been listed yet.'"
I forgot to mention, when looking for the trinity application, I came across this application from Castleford, just 2 months ago. Although it’s mentioned on the Cas forum, it seems to have gone under the radar. I wish both our applications well.
Application for a Certificate of Lawfulness to confirm that the excavation of foundation trenches and pouring of concrete to begin erection of foundations comprises the lawful commencement of development of Planning Permission reference 16/01544/FUL dated 8 December 2016 (for a mixed-use development comprising the erection of a 10,000 capacity community stadium (Use Class D2), Class A1 retail uses (up to 53,093sqm), Class A3 food and drink uses, a petrol filling station comprising sales kiosk building (Use Class A1) with associated fuel pump islands and fuel pumps, a country park (Sui Generis), highways improvements and alterations, car parking, servicing areas and extensive hard and soft landscaping)
Park Road/M62/Stainburn Avenue/Spittal Hardwick Lane (Land At) Castleford
Ref. No: 20/02122/CPE | Received: Fri 25 Sep 2020 | Validated: Mon 28 Sep 2020 | Status: Application Approved
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"I forgot to mention, when looking for the trinity application, I came across this application from Castleford, just 2 months ago. Although it’s mentioned on the Cas forum, it seems to have gone under the radar. I wish both our applications well.
Application for a Certificate of Lawfulness to confirm that the excavation of foundation trenches and pouring of concrete to begin erection of foundations comprises the lawful commencement of development of Planning Permission reference 16/01544/FUL dated 8 December 2016 (for a mixed-use development comprising the erection of a 10,000 capacity community stadium (Use Class D2), Class A1 retail uses (up to 53,093sqm), Class A3 food and drink uses, a petrol filling station comprising sales kiosk building (Use Class A1) with associated fuel pump islands and fuel pumps, a country park (Sui Generis), highways improvements and alterations, car parking, servicing areas and extensive hard and soft landscaping)
Park Road/M62/Stainburn Avenue/Spittal Hardwick Lane (Land At) Castleford
Ref. No: 20/02122/CPE | Received: Fri 25 Sep 2020 | Validated: Mon 28 Sep 2020 | Status: Application Approved'"
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| Is my understanding correct that they Cas are reliant on the build of the retail units and retailers committing to those builds to enable funding for there stadium? If so I would imagine that Covid will set them back drastically in that which is really unfortunate timing, I cant imagine any retailers investing in expanding there high-street business at this stage.
Either way, I hope they can get something sorted although for some reason they don`t suffer as much on other supporters questioning the standard of there ground or delays to there plans even though I don`t think there is much difference between Wheldon Rd and Belle Vue IMO.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Is my understanding correct that they Cas are reliant on the build of the retail units and retailers committing to those builds to enable funding for there stadium? If so I would imagine that Covid will set them back drastically in that which is really unfortunate timing, I cant imagine any retailers investing in expanding there high-street business at this stage.
Either way, I hope they can get something sorted although for some reason they don`t suffer as much on other supporters questioning the standard of there ground or delays to there plans even though I don`t think there is much difference between Wheldon Rd and Belle Vue IMO.'"
There isn't. BV has better lighting, better access and better corporate. Cas has more cover and certainly better terracing and views. Both have decent pitches though Cas pitch is a bit small.
Truth is they are both very poor for the 21st century. The other big truth is that BV is the only one of the two that can be re-developed at something like a sensible cost. For Wheldon road to be modernised successfully IMHO the pitch would need to rotate 90 degrees which is effectively a total rebuild. BV already had better access, now with the bypass, it's even better, WR is quite literally up an ally.
Put simply Cas have to get a new build IMO there is simply no option, we have finally or should I say hopefully put that one to bed. I know which position I'd rather be in. Neither of us has our futures in our own hands but at least we have a hand on the ball.
I would hate to lose Cas or any traditional club but it's getting tight for then as far as I can see. To be fair though I don't have any real idea where they are at present planning wise.
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| This is really wonderful news
Well done the club
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| Plans look great but please no 4G pitch. We have the best pitch in the league will be a huge mistake.
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| 4G is a must if we are going to gain revenue from it. I think it will suit our style of play anyway.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Plans look great but please no 4G pitch. We have the best pitch in the league will be a huge mistake.'"
Why do you keep saying that when we don't?
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Why do you keep saying that when we don't?'"
Maybe that's how he remembers it from the last time he went years ago.
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