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| Quote ="Fishermanscap"What's with the 'Rodders' bit, because someone disagrees with your sainted opinion it automatically makes them part of what you consider the enemy camp - sad.
Where did I say there would be no parking? There is clearly enough room for a stadium and car parking for staff, players, corporate and disabled plus few more IMO. See attached image which is to scale using BV as a footprint.
Perhaps you should do a little research before playing at being a town planner whilst dismissing the views of others.
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I Have shown "your plan" to a neighbour of mine who is a Highways & Planning Manager...
He looked at it and said that "there would be absolutely no chance of the stadium and infrastructure necessary to be developed and built there." |
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| Quote ="snowie"I actually can see what fishermancap take on this and it is possible to do but there's several other things to take account of and the one main one is cost, I can see it costing and taking far more time to develop'"
I can’t imagine the actual land is worth much probably worthless that’s why this particular land has been discussed and put forward. I can’t see it happening but that’s because of our inept council not because of lack of access or planning restrictions I actually think the site location is the best out of the 3. City/Town Centre stadiums are always the best and most successful in my opinion.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Just a quick look around the main things are below- a few of which I've been on the end of when extending properties over the years.
Whether the neighbours raise any objections
Whether the proposed design is of good quality and in keeping with surrounding properties
What impact your proposed development will have on your neighbours and the environment - for example through loss of light or loss of privacy. How your development would affect the surrounding area, eg if it would create lots more traffic
The number, size, layout, siting and external appearance of buildings
The infrastructure available, eg roads and water supply
Any landscaping needs
What you want to use the development for.
There's a website here that lists a big list of things.
[urlhttps://www.richmond.gov.uk/what_is_a_valid_objection_to_a_planning_application[/url'"
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| Quote ="Wakefield City"So looking at that there’s no showstopper regarding planning.'"
Well for me as a guess, it would be the objections from those living near it and also what impact the proposed development will have on your neighbours and the environment - for example through loss of light or loss of privacy & how your development would affect the surrounding area, eg if it would create lots more traffic.
But as has been said, why would WMDC find all the money to build it and do all the roads and other things like water, gas electricity to the site, when we have Newmarket that doesn't cost them a penny, just pressure on the developer to fulfill his obligations. Or even Belle Vue tarting up. |
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| Quote ="Redscat"All this and Newcold still got through!!!!!'"
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| Quote ="PopTart"I'm not sure why some are so against the idea either.
I personally don't think it's viable based on what I've seen but the map and the shopped in stadium helps work out what those with the original idea are trying to do.
I don't know whether they are doing it for a smoke screen or whether it is something they have put a lot of effort into working out but either way, why not consider it. If it turns out not to be viable, what harm did it do............[uas long as it doesn't delay any progress on the Belle Vue or Newmarket initiatives[/u.
I nearly moved the first post to the stadium thread but it obviously has a discussion in it's own right so I'll leave where it is.
And Sacred Cow..................stop picking on the new guy. Vastman would never use a nom de plume. That would be a ridiculous thing to do after all his moaning about people doing that on here. Vastman just isn't that kind of guy.
Welcome on board new guy.'"
Just on a point of order.
I'm not against ANY site for a new stadium for either Trinity or for community use, none at all.
However, along with many others I've spent time on the town hall steps and outside county hall protesting and supporting the cause and I will gladly do more of the same in future.
However, after the utter bull that has been fed to the club and its fans since Newmarket was passed, one should be forgiven for daring to question the viability of anything and everything.
A stadium on Balne Lane is in walking distance for me so I'm all for it but, having lived on that side of town for over 30 years, this just looks a non runner and given the debacle at Newmarket and the false promises around the development at BV (and elsewhere), what should anyone think.
Regardless of what our new friend says about proximity to the centre of Town and Bus routes, trains etc, access to that site for traffic would be a bloody nightmare.
You would have to come up/down Balne Lane, cut through Plumpton or come along Batley Road, all of which are difficult to get through in terms of time and existing traffic, not to mention all the new housing etc further down Batley Road, back towards the motorway and "he" is yet to explain just how access could be created.
We're not talking about a small semi pro club, this is for the future of Wakefield Trinity and the thought of 6-8000 supporters getting to and from there on match days is mind boggling.
As I say, I'm just a frustrated fan, hacked of with being lied to by those in charge of the local authority and the new poster does seem to be coming at us from a new angle.
I hope he's right and I'm wrong and humble pie is one of my favourite foods.
Time will be our judge but, time isn't our friend, especially with new structures for SL being a pretty hot topic. |
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"I know, it's crazy that monster was allowed to be built rather than the proposed original plans, which would hardly have been seen with the right landscaping etc. Comparatively anyway.'"
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I'm not against ANY site for a new stadium for either Trinity or for community use, none at all.
However, along with many others I've spent time on the town hall steps and outside county hall protesting and supporting the cause and I will gladly do more of the same in future.
However, after the utter bull that has been fed to the club and its fans since Newmarket was passed, one should be forgiven for daring to question the viability of anything and everything.
**snipped out for space**
I hope he's right and I'm wrong and humble pie is one of my favourite foods.
Time will be our judge but, time isn't our friend, especially with new structures for SL being a pretty hot topic.'"
I don't disagree with you at all.
I really only meant that if there is an idea let's get it out in the open so people with knowledge (like you) can tell the others whether it's any good. |
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| Quote ="Wakefield City"Why wouldn’t it get through to planning?'"
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"It wouldn’t even get passed the feasibility study stage. The costs involved in this project would be astronomical and the likely legal challenges from the local residents so time consuming that it would be decided not to procede before it got as far as putting the plans in.'"
Local residents complain on every development whether it be new housing commercial or whatever, can’t see any legal challenges other than a few local residents, that’s if it even got to that stage. What category is the Balne Lane land classed as? |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Just on a point of order.
I'm not against ANY site for a new stadium for either Trinity or for community use, none at all.
However, along with many others I've spent time on the town hall steps and outside county hall protesting and supporting the cause and I will gladly do more of the same in future.
However, after the utter bull that has been fed to the club and its fans since Newmarket was passed, one should be forgiven for daring to question the viability of anything and everything.
A stadium on Balne Lane is in walking distance for me so I'm all for it but, having lived on that side of town for over 30 years, this just looks a non runner and given the debacle at Newmarket and the false promises around the development at BV (and elsewhere), what should anyone think.
Regardless of what our new friend says about proximity to the centre of Town and Bus routes, trains etc, access to that site for traffic would be a bloody nightmare.
You would have to come up/down Balne Lane, cut through Plumpton or come along Batley Road, all of which are difficult to get through in terms of time and existing traffic, not to mention all the new housing etc further down Batley Road, back towards the motorway and "he" is yet to explain just how access could be created.
We're not talking about a small semi pro club, this is for the future of Wakefield Trinity and the thought of 6-8000 supporters getting to and from there on match days is mind boggling.
As I say, I'm just a frustrated fan, hacked of with being lied to by those in charge of the local authority and the new poster does seem to be coming at us from a new angle.
I hope he's right and I'm wrong and humble pie is one of my favourite foods.
Time will be our judge but, time isn't our friend, especially with new structures for SL being a pretty hot topic.'"
It’s walking distance for me too leisurely stroll through Wrenny Park.
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Balne Lane could be an option if time and funding wasn't against Trinity. They are so therefore it really isn't a viable option.
As much as you seem to want to deny it, access is a massive issue and likely to scupper any chance of a successful planning application. Can you imagine circa 2/3000 people all making their way underneath the railway and and back into town? Belle Vue has a number of ways people can exit yet it still gets snarled up.
Notwithstanding the above, the most damning indictment of the whole scheme is the fact Rodney Walker is involved. That should be all you need to know that this scheme is a red herring thrown into the mix to delay matters.
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I truly like the discussion & opinions, they are correct, imo, the land has a covenant on - use for sporting activities.
The council is aware & yes smoke screen & mirrors.
Regarding access, cliff hill - balne lane has a narrow single pass bridge on a rising hill & bad bend.
The view in the air does not show the three distinct levels to the three fields, where the stadium is located is the
Largest area mid level. How visiting coaches would get through & park is mind boggling. Cut & fill in the land would
Not happen. Rain & land water moves on mass to the lowest level - the beck, which does go on flood alert.
Holdsworth mill use to have a dam adjacent for obvious reasons.
A full capacity stadium attendance would be chaos, fire issues & access a sick jokes imo.
We do have fun when the council practice to deceive, maybe they want a fiasco ?
You couldn't write a better storey.
However, I do hope Carter is aware -- Up the TRIN.
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| Quote ="JINJER"No idea about planning but Fishermanscap does on the surface post a lot like Vasty and certainly has the attitude, who was it that always liked to superimpose "footprints" onto Google maps? Hmmm.'"
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| Quote ="JINJER"No idea about planning but Fishermanscap does on the surface post a lot like Vasty and certainly has the attitude, who was it that always liked to superimpose "footprints" onto Google maps? Hmmm.'"
Oh give over jinjer I thought you were better than that. Frankly I’ve lost interest in the whole thing and I don’t think it has any creedence at all.
However as far as i can see it’s the other posters with the attitude especially wren and shifty who I thought to be pretty decent. I think I know who Fisherman’s cap is and all he seemed to be doing was stating what is obvious - it is viable but unlikely.
If it is him then he’s not connected as such but he knows the industry, he was the one who told me that the plan for BV wouldn’t hold more than 6000 and he was right. Still if we don’t want advice or help then so be it I’m sure after that hostile response he won’t bother. I’ll PM him and find out.
Me I’m grateful for your kind words about me, many thanks.
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what concerns me is the precedent has already been set by the Council allowing the Newcold development outside the agreement, there is a legal argument that it should not have gone up but if this second one goes up outside the agreement then although a legal challenge may be brought via a JR its not plain sailing I fear, The developer has nothing to lose! If they did they would have to deliver what they promised with some legal costs on top. What about the guy at the Daily Star he may champion this latest attempt to circumvent the agreement by York Court.
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"what concerns me is the precedent has already been set by the Council allowing the Newcold development outside the agreement, there is a legal argument that it should not have gone up but if this second one goes up outside the agreement then although a legal challenge may be brought via a JR its not plain sailing I fear, The developer has nothing to lose! If they did they would have to deliver what they promised with some legal costs on top. What about the guy at the Daily Star he may champion this latest attempt to circumvent the agreement by York Court.'"
Regarding planning and them set a precedent I've being thinking the same thing for some time
Surely they can't get away with it a second time!
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"what concerns me is the precedent has already been set by the Council allowing the Newcold development outside the agreement, there is a legal argument that it should not have gone up but if this second one goes up outside the agreement then although a legal challenge may be brought via a JR its not plain sailing I fear, The developer has nothing to lose! If they did they would have to deliver what they promised with some legal costs on top. What about the guy at the Daily Star he may champion this latest attempt to circumvent the agreement by York Court.'"
The trusts objection sets out the fact they believe the council may have acted outside of their power first time around and if they allow the latest one a judicial review will be sought. |
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"The trusts objection sets out the fact they believe the council may have acted outside of their power first time around and if they allow the latest one a judicial review will be sought.'"
Good move, last thing Box wants is an investigation into this whole shady saga. The only time we seem to get a response from him is when he feels threatened. Will it help get a stadium? Probably not, but if it could oust the snake somehow then there is the silver lining. |
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"what concerns me is the precedent has already been set by the Council allowing the Newcold development outside the agreement, there is a legal argument that it should not have gone up but if this second one goes up outside the agreement then although a legal challenge may be brought via a JR its not plain sailing I fear, The developer has nothing to lose! If they did they would have to deliver what they promised with some legal costs on top. What about the guy at the Daily Star he may champion this latest attempt to circumvent the agreement by York Court.'"
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Jeremy Cross, ask him.'"
Thanks for that I will travelling to Africa at the moment as soon as I get to some stable WiFi I will email him. Cheers for the link |
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"The trusts objection sets out the fact they believe the council may have acted outside of their power first time around and if they allow the latest one a judicial review will be sought.'"
I know that I have read the text but a precedent may have been set on the eyes of a court where there is no redress I am just putting potential concerns from my knowledge of Courts albeit this area is not an area I have operated in. |
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Go for it red white & blue but you are taking on ceramic box never mind teflon, !
The whole saga is disgusting imo.
Nothing is genuine with this guy except prevailing at all costs !
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Quote ="vastman"Oh give over jinjer I thought you were better than that. Frankly I’ve lost interest in the whole thing and I don’t think it has any creedence at all.
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[uHowever as far as i can see it’s the other posters with the attitude especially wren and shifty[/u who I thought to be pretty decent. I think I know who Fisherman’s cap is and all he seemed to be doing was stating what is obvious - it is viable but unlikely.
If it is him then he’s not connected as such but he knows the industry, he was the one who told me that the plan for BV wouldn’t hold more than 6000 and he was right. Still if we don’t want advice or help then so be it I’m sure after that hostile response he won’t bother. I’ll PM him and find out.
Me I’m grateful for your kind words about me, many thanks.
Oh and I don’t own the rights to google maps either.'"
Go on then mate where have I had the attitude exactly and about what.
I've hardly given my views on the proposed Balne Lane thing. The only other time recently I posted on the subject was in reply to the feasibility to Flatcapsman and said-
Quote I agree with most of your points, especially that a committed Council could get one sorted nearly anywhere within reason'" have I got an attitude there? and then went on to which I thought was the best and basically why is Balne Lane anymore likely to be a goer than Newmarket, as it's already so far advanced than Balne lane and why would WMDC pull their fingers out to get Balne done when they've done jack so far, plus who's going to fund the project, which is on the other stadium thread. A perfectly reasonable post I thought.
Maybe you're talking about the post I replied to where someone said that the other poster posts similar to you (which is on the Crowther thread ftr ), I was actually backing you if it wasn't obvious and said although I could see similarities, I just couldn't see it being you at all and actually wondered where you'd been, plus like I said could care less as long as they're not trolling with it. Because apart from silly crap like this I actually have got along with you over the years and think you bring a lot to the forum, and you don't seem the kind to set up an extra account especially after all the stuff thrown you're way over the years by others.
As for this thread, I've posted 3 times, first on page 5 answering PT's question why it may be denied planning and another again on why it may be denied specifically to another and another in reply to one about the Newcold about Newmarket. So again, you know i don't get personal and go in for name calling etc, so if you're going to say I've got an 'attitude' I'd love to know because I can't see anywhere and you know that's not even my style of posting, I leave that to others. 
Disappointing Vasty, especially when I've been one of the few posters here over the years and on the VT that have backed you up on some of your let's say you're more confrontational posts, when other people play the poster and not the post and tbf you've done the same for me when the likes of the Leeds Mafia are trying to talk crap about Trinity. Obviously, I may have misjudged you.  |
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[uHowever as far as i can see it’s the other posters with the attitude especially wren and shifty[/u who I thought to be pretty decent. I think I know who Fisherman’s cap is and all he seemed to be doing was stating what is obvious - it is viable but unlikely.
If it is him then he’s not connected as such but he knows the industry, he was the one who told me that the plan for BV wouldn’t hold more than 6000 and he was right. Still if we don’t want advice or help then so be it I’m sure after that hostile response he won’t bother. I’ll PM him and find out.
Me I’m grateful for your kind words about me, many thanks.
Oh and I don’t own the rights to google maps either.'"
Go on then mate where have I had the attitude exactly and about what.
I've hardly given my views on the proposed Balne Lane thing. The only other time recently I posted on the subject was in reply to the feasibility to Flatcapsman and said-
Quote I agree with most of your points, especially that a committed Council could get one sorted nearly anywhere within reason'" have I got an attitude there? and then went on to which I thought was the best and basically why is Balne Lane anymore likely to be a goer than Newmarket, as it's already so far advanced than Balne lane and why would WMDC pull their fingers out to get Balne done when they've done jack so far, plus who's going to fund the project, which is on the other stadium thread. A perfectly reasonable post I thought.
Maybe you're talking about the post I replied to where someone said that the other poster posts similar to you (which is on the Crowther thread ftr ), I was actually backing you if it wasn't obvious and said although I could see similarities, I just couldn't see it being you at all and actually wondered where you'd been, plus like I said could care less as long as they're not trolling with it. Because apart from silly crap like this I actually have got along with you over the years and think you bring a lot to the forum, and you don't seem the kind to set up an extra account especially after all the stuff thrown you're way over the years by others.
As for this thread, I've posted 3 times, first on page 5 answering PT's question why it may be denied planning and another again on why it may be denied specifically to another and another in reply to one about the Newcold about Newmarket. So again, you know i don't get personal and go in for name calling etc, so if you're going to say I've got an 'attitude' I'd love to know because I can't see anywhere and you know that's not even my style of posting, I leave that to others.
Disappointing Vasty, especially when I've been one of the few posters here over the years and on the VT that have backed you up on some of your let's say you're more confrontational posts, when other people play the poster and not the post and tbf you've done the same for me when the likes of the Leeds Mafia are trying to talk crap about Trinity. Obviously, I may have misjudged you. | |
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