www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... Rizal.html probably 1 of the worse cases of child abuse Ive ever seen

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... Rizal.html probably 1 of the worse cases of child abuse Ive ever seen

I live in Indonesia and we had this story on the news last month. Unfortunately it wasn't even an isolated incident. The next couple of days saw follow up stories about other, similar kids.

It's difficult to judge from a purely western context.

Attitudes to child protection are quite different here and although the story intended to shock there were plenty who saw it as amusing and harmless, particularly the people local to the incidents. You see kids under 5 riding on the tanks of motorbikes with no helmet or restraint. There's not the child-centred culture we have in the west. Child mortality is still quite high and the attitude seems to be if you lose one you can always make another for free.

Attitudes to smoking are also quite different. It seems almost compulsory for men to smoke (maybe like it was in the 50's and 60's in the UK?). I don't smoke and it's seen as strange. Macho and sporty style adverts are still used on TV.
The tobacco companies are suffering from shrinking markets in the developed world so they're making as much as they can now from markets in developing countries.

Brands are now specifically targetting young women, which would have been unheard of and unacceptable even 10 years ago. My favourite was a billboard advert for green menthol cigarettes showing a young glamorous woman with the slogan, in English, "have you found your G spot?". I was going to take a photo but I think someone must have explained the meaning and the poster was quickly removed.

The daily cost in the story is clearly exaggerated as cigarettes only cost about 30p to 60p a pack for the better brands as they are produced here and are not heavily taxed, but then again people can earn less than 2 quid a day.

Whilst it is clearly very wrong, I would just say, blame the tobacco companies rather than judging/condeming the people.

Only in Cas!

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I'm from Lupset so I'm not shocked by that - I just feel an urge to demand "2's up!"

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clearly the internet doesn't work too well either

Just bought a Maine Coon! and 3 Silver Sharks!

Delighted for you.

I'm looking at moving back to Wakey, found a house just off Dewsbury Rd near Morrisons. Any good pubs round there that anyone can recommend?

Depends on your definition of 'good' I suppose; if you're a young hepcat, leave your house and turn left - Westgate and all it's hedonistic delights are on your doorstep, along with all the pi55y lager you could wish for!

If you're more discerning, The Hop is tucked away behind Unity Hall - music, comedy nights and real ale, although not always kept as well as it should be ime.

Locals-wise, I couldn't say - 30+ years since I lived on Lupset and the closest I got to the pubs in those days was in the beer garden with a shandy and a bag of crisps while me Dad was inside.

Either way - welcome home!

GF isn't happy, the Silver Sharks will need an 8 foot tank eventually! I've called the cat Arwen, because Maine Coons have pointy ears and the 3 new fish Gandalf, Severus and Paul Sykes.



That's the new cat.

They can grow to 3-4 foot in length! ...and well over 2 stone.

what do you feed it on to get that size

as for the fish have you ever fed them blister packs of meat ?

I used to get a beef heart, dice it and cut the main veins out then liquidize it to a pulp, then put it in a plastic bag and roll it flat about 6mm and freeze it, this is so you can break a chunk off at feeding time, the fish love,
I had a marine tank where I had a copperband used to be fed by hand like this one

i prefer pictures of your pussy cat

4 oz (110 g) self-raising flour
½ teaspoon salt
5 fl oz (150 ml) water, plus 1 scant tablespoon


Just sift the flour and salt into a mixing bowl, then gradually add the water, whisking continuously until the batter is smooth and free from lumps.


Yum Yum.

leave it alone there only thin

Not as thin as that rubbish they charged us £6 for up north

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good luck with the album, not my type of music but then I never listen to ambient music

All Maine Coons get that big! I'd never heard of them until I watched Harry Potter and decided I wanted a Wildcat like Mrs Norris.
I have some frozen beefheart cubes I've bought from a garden centre but none of my fish are crazy about it. I don't think I love them enough to do what you suggest with the heart

lol. The Silver Sharks aren't currently eating anything websites suggest but they are nosing about in the gravel alot so hopefully they will bottom feed like the Rainbow Shark I have.

We paid £15 for a Bristlenose a year ago and I've only seen it 3 times.

I once bought a spiny nosed eel and found on the carpet two days later after not seeing it for some time, stiff as a crisp

to this day I thought I should put it back in the tank a I learnt years after they can survive out of water for some time, a bought a chocolate cat fish and called it galaxy, and after years in my tank my mate took him on when I moved house and he still is going to this day 20 years on and hides all he time

Is it big? They were selling a Gator Gar on Denby Dale road around a year ago, it was only around 10" so I hummed and aahed for a day or two but I'm not experienced enough for that challenge.

last time I saw it it was around 12" the fish that is

mel told me that 12" means cm

behave now