Both use the same agent by all accounts ,so nice little earner for him/her ,and let’s hope he/she had their best interest at heart , time will tell on that one I’m sure

But they are young 20 somethings who have spent 4 to 7 working age years earning next to nothing to chase their goal of becoming a regular 1st teamer at SL level. When they achieve that or are very close and reach the pivotal point of a new contract they expect to begin the realisation of decent wages. Unfortunately there is a pervading attitude that home grown talent don’t get the deserved wages that players ‘signed in’ from other clubs get so they become easy targets for other clubs offering a decent contract. These are young blokes who want to start an adult life, get married, buy a house, have kids etc, you can’t expect them to put their life on hold any longer because they’re home grown.

I know some very good young blokes who’ve turned down apprenticeships and jobs paying £25k and one at £35k+ in order to accept £9k and play in the Academy or be a fringe First Team squad player. They then develop and make the first team on a regular basis only to be offered far less than that position deserves, It happens all the time

Can’t tell from the camera angle on the Sky Sports highlights but felt watching live at the game that Aydin was slow to react and Vete was his man and wasn’t quick enough or strong enough to stop him one on one

Agree Hall could have done better but the way the defensive and attacking lines were set Minichella was his man and had he scored I’d have blamed Hall…

It’s the other way around,
Looking at the attacking shape, Vete is running the unders line and Minichella is wrapping around the back making him Aydin man
Crowther is at Marker and his main job is to kill the scoot from the hooker and to map out only when the ball has left the hookers hands. Hall is too busy focusing on the hooker and even turns his hips in giving him no chance of meeting Vete.

In fairness to Aydin he spots the ball is going to Vete very early and comes in to attempt to stop him, had the ball gone behind Vete to Minichella then Aydin would have been at fault

This

Which is one of the main reasons I’m disappointed we’ve not kept him

Young British props are very few and very far between

Like you say mopsy
Good luck in us finding 2 quality props

Side note I’m delighted with the signing of Bowden

Seasoned pro's make mistakes, all humans if life do. Why an error or a defensive misread is now being used to justify the loss of a player with decent potential I don't know.

As it is it maybe HKR offered more and also, more importantly at this age, gave him assurances of opportunities to play, something that Aydin has only really got since he probably made his mind up to go.

The club, and the player, will move on, its just frustrating to spend time on a kid only to see that effort for nought.

New to board. Very disappointed by the loss of aydin and Batch who are both waki lads but it happens and I would like to think the club has a plan and the younger guys such as Eseh can fill the gap left behind in the not too distant future. Just out of curiosity would most people be ok with losing Batch and Aydin if say Murphy and Hall can get long term extensions and the thought of Eseh / Shaw getting more game time

Yep. That's exactly what I'd hope for.

Well let’s be true here that KR are a poorer team than we sre. Haven’t they finished below us in 5/6 last seasons. They’re pretty much a more struggling team than we are. Not really ambitious but must be the money talking.

They have a good one with Batch though.

That is exactly how it is!

It's a fine line balancing the budget...I liken it to selecting a dream team at either football or rugby...you start with a big pot....pick some quality players then before you know it you've hardly got any of your money left and still have about 4-5 players to fit in so have to go back and lower your sights a little...

Aydin is an improving player but he's well down the pecking order and the people who control the budget can only assign so much to each player...Hall and Murphy should be the two big priorities to tie down to longer contracts as they are both players you can see attracting plenty of interest from many clubs in the coming seasons...if keeping those two with much improved terms means having to let Aydin go then I can live with that decision. I'm also not that sure he'll get more first team opportunities there than if he'd have stayed...we'll have to wait and see...

Think they must have jumped at the money and you can not blame them.
I don't see KR much if any better than us but they must have sold the club and a new coach to them.
On reflection I think we should have kept them and shown our intension.

Incorrect.

He was quoted as saying Batch was his mentor so wanted to go with him.

Not sure why people think Hull KR is o much worse prospect than us.
Nice facilities, great crowds, new coach who is well regarded.....and clear have more money.
And they have an academy. Hull and Hull KR played today.

For all those brownie points they still have finished below us in 5 of the last 6 seasons. The exception being the anomalous % table.

They have just had a "well regarded" coach call it a day due some mystery behind the scenes shenanigans.

I guess they are playing catch up regarding the academy as they did go with a joint Hull area one when FC were the preferred end choice of any decent prospect. Then they were one of the teams who weren't given an elite licence. The age group of the likes of Aydin and Batchelor where they must be light?

I'd forgotten about the elite license thing.

If you look at this years final league tables the KR Academy side have ended up about half way so that's not too bad.
Their reserves side were almost rock bottom with only London and Newcastle below and I guess this is where they have a shortage of "Aydins" ?

Teams can only carry so many "project/potential" players. That's even truer in the forward positions.

Here's a choice - you can keep Eseh or Aydin;

Who do YOU keep, and invest in for the future?

Our academy’s productivity has been really poor for a while. I’ve got a nasty feeling I’ll miss somebody here, but of our academy products who debuted in the 2010s, I can only think of Liam Salter, Jordan Cox and George Lawler who have made 100 SL appearances. Frankie Mariano and James Green very got close (I’m assuming the numbers on Wikipedia are correct, which I know is not always the case). Of those, only Lawler is still in SL, with Cas. Joe Cator could still get there but has had bad luck with injuries while at Hull. Mikey Lewis debuted in 2019 and I’d expect him to get there, all being well.

There’s a lot of optimism that things are going to get much better. Without some explanation as to why the previous decade yielded so few players who made any sort of impact in SL and what is now being done differently I’m hopeful rather than confident. I mean, I’d expect it to get better just because the bar is so low. But it’d be a massive leap to go from that to where it’d make a substantial difference to our chances of being more competitive.

Not really going to say too much here, as it will only go one way.

They’re doing something right, they’re averaging around 7600 this year, a figure we could only dream of. They have a big rivalry with their near and dear neighbours, and by a lot are seen as a lesser clubs, probably underdog comes to mind. Hiull FC average about 12000. Hull also has a reasonably competitive football team, who have been in the top flight in recent years.

I would say that since they originally came up to super league, their win ratio is slightly higher, over this time. The also, all being it, got a hammering, have had a challenge cup final.

I think they get their marketing about right, especially when a new estate went up, did some flyers with offers, and sent the players out into the community, delivering them.

Finally, all clubs have a pocket, or a minority, that are so called fans, when they are just morons. We have some ourselves

From what I've been told there was no real difference between the two offers financially, he's apparently a bit peeved about his lack of game time this year and Poching hasn't given him any indication he'll be a regular next season either.

Now I rate Aydin, and definitely think he has the potential to go on and have a good career. But even at this stage I don't think he's ready for a regular spot. In my opinion have handled his progression well, a drip feed of games and he improves every time we see him. If he's wanting to play week in week out he'll need to hit the ground running at Rovers, and I just hope for his sake he hasn't made the wrong call. Their expectations will be higher than for a similar aged player coming through the ranks.

Firstly many congratulations on securing your Super League status much deserved and I an pleased that a historic and proud club like yourselves has yet again defied predictions and in the end with a bit to spare.

I'm disappointed you feel the way you do about my club Hull Kingston Rovers I certainly don't feel that way about you.

All in all the KR supporters I have meet over the years have been pretty decent.

I remember attending a cup quarter final at Belle Vue in 1974 (?) v HKR … I was scared shirtless …. But I was only a young teenager..


Always been a bit wary of Rovers since… although I did go away to the old and current stadiums on more than one occasion

I've never had a problem with a Hull KR supporter and been going there since 1980.
Their ground now is just right for their club. I like going there.