More to it than just the players being below par, the club as a whole is amateur i'm afraid: from the ground, to the shirt sponsors. That's no disrespect to Carter, I commend him for all his hard work these past few years, getting us out of the red was a task in its self. But it all comes money at the end of the day - he can't pull it out of his backside unfortunately. I wouldn't be surprised if he jumps ship too.

I'm not making excuses for the players, but Wakey can't be the most inspiring club to play for - we use facilities from a team in a lower division because ours are that poor, we have no money, we are constantly favorites for relegation, our ground is falling down etc. True the players should go out there and earn their wages, but chances are we will end up in the million pound game again, or scrape through the middle 8's at best - so why bother until it matters if they don't really give a toss.

In the mean time, lets keep throwing coaches names into the hat with minimal coaching experience: just because they played for us at some point. Or at best John Kear, who many moaned about because it was 'boring one man Rugby'. Then let's sit back and watch history repeat itself.

Got to agree about the club being amateurish. We have been in Superlague for 17 previous seasons and are still cannon fodder. In all those seasons we have only finished above 8th spot twice and mostly stayed around 10, 11, 12 and even 13, leading to more end of season escapes than Houdini. Dennis Betts said it would be a 5 year plan for Widnes and with good signings it now seems to be paying off for him. We have done nothing like that in nearly four times as long. We have got so used to losing and watching c""p that we think one good game deserves merit. Face it we a rubbish and as a die-hard fan who watched them even when they were in the old Division 2 it pains me to say it. We should start at the bottom, rebuild and come back with a team that can do the city justice.

The solution is to go into the championship or hope someone with disposable steps in, why is it so hard to see that we are not upto it in superleague we don't belong there, what do we contribute apart from our illustrious history.
Nothing is going to change at this level without cash and if the owners are not prepared to put any in then what do you do, who wants to spend there Sunday watching a team get hammered.
The best thing for this club is to go into the championship let's face it we are a championship club in every aspect we have just been lucky circumstances have dictated otherwise.
So what the players try I can go to any amateur rugby game and watch guys try I pay money to be entertained by athletes at the top of there game.
I struggle to see how anyone believes that a coach be it whoever will make those players able to compete at this level enough to bring sensible supporters back through the turnstiles to witness skilful rugby league.
All we are are a team of ifs, if we held onto ball we'd be if we did t give penalties we'd be, if they stuck in contact we'd be well we are not and we won't be with the quality of men we have on the field, I'm not blaming them they can't help it like I said earlier there not going to not sign a contract.

Well you go and watch Dewsbury or Featherstone then!

If Wakefield drop into the Championship before getting the stadium sorted in one way or the other then we'll almost definitely never see top tier Rugby League ever again.

How is that the solution to our problems?

Rugby's played in the championship like the game should be played, plenty of passion,hard tackling not short of good bouts of the open game we all love to see , what you very rarely see is one side strolling through the others defence like wakefield fans are used to seeing watching the feeble defence our lot serve up

"Rugby's played in the championship like the game should be played, plenty of passion,hard tackling not short of good bouts of the open game we all love to see , what you very rarely see is one side strolling through the others defence like wakefield fans are used to seeing watching the feeble defence our lot serve up"

Like a previous poster said, go and watch Championship rugby theres plenty of teams to choose from. How any-one thinks dropping down a league would help us is beyond belief .

If you were old enough to see them in the old 2nd Division then, like me, I doubt you'd live long enough to see a team rebuilt from the bottom.

Your in denial we are not upto superleague resource wise so have your fun guessing who the next coach might be, slate fans that have stopped going, keep on looking at the positives and keep missing what's staring you in the face.
At some point enoughs enough and unless someone with cash comes calling then we will either get relegated or be perennial whipping boys.

Your in denial we are not upto superleague resource wise so have your fun guessing who the next coach might be, slate fans that have stopped going, keep on looking at the positives and keep missing what's staring you in the face.
At some point enoughs enough and unless someone with cash comes calling then we will either get relegated or be perennial whipping boys.

I'm not sure what you're saying, do you think we should all give up and go down a division and that will be better for everyone? What will be will be as far as where we end up playing next year. We shouldn't dream of throwing in the towel though, or will we. With the illusions that by somehow dropping down a League, that will somehow change anything for the better and we'll definitely miraculously rebuild. It certainly would drastically lower the chances of attracting anyone with money to put into the club.

You do what you want, no one's forcing you to support Trinity, plenty of other things to do with your spare time and money and if you do walk away no ones going to slate you as far as I can see.

I think the 5 year plan at Widnes has financial backing we can only dream about.

And in addition Widnes were fortunate enough to be provided with a stadium.

I think full of hope needs to change his screen name

Sorry Avenger but if you think we are watching top tier rugby now you must be going to different matches. We have won one game by 2 points so far but have been hammered in the others. It is soul destroying and boring watching your team get thrashed week after week.

So cut your losses and go watch Halifax, just don't come on here and tell us all to give up on SL and drop into the Championship.

You pay your money and take your choice you don't have to go you don't have to stay away the option is yours as for a drop into the championship its far better to be in SL than out as once your out funding gets cut so expenses have to be cut and its a long hard slog to get back in. As bad as we were last season and my god we were bad as bad can be but still survived after playing the best in the championship without 2 on their day quality players now that shows the gap between SL and championship

Just ask the Bulls and the Bronco's fans whether it's best to drop down a division and start from the bottom, I doubt you'd get many agreeing with you.

What you suggest is the POSSIBILITY of watching Trinity in the second tier of the sport, in front of crowds roughly half of what we get now, in the hope of winning a few games.
IF we were successful, we would then play the end of the season in the middle 8's, hoping to gain promotion and start the subsequent season in SL and then battle for survival in SL the following season.

Can you see the irony overload in what you are suggesting.

Where we are now, you are basically saving 2 years of your life.

We need to battle hard, and build slowly from where we are.

The club have made substantial progress off the field since Glover & Elston steered the ship into the rocks and yes, it's a long way from being easy.

The final thing for you to consider is that our ground is not of SL standard and should we get relegated, The Championship is where we would stay, unless there was a new ground in the offing..............................

Just to put the record straight I don't want to see us playing in the championship and if WT were playing in the same league as Normanton or Featherstone lions I would still be watching them. My point really is fans are getting fed up watching the team getting beaten by 30's and 40's every week.

I'm quoting someone here from the ground for sale thread.

"On a interview today, Michael Carter revealed, that the developer (Yorkcourt) have in conjunction and alignment with the council and the club submitted a bid for belle vue.
Which they are hopeful will be accepted.
If they are, they would want to look at purchasing the superbowl site...
It is thought that if we were to "give" up newmarket this would give the developer more land to build on and sell, which more than cover the cost of Superbowl...

Would it leave some spare for re-development?"

This may have flown under the radar, but offers hope that we may have a full time home, whether it is at Newmarket or not.

Come and watch Fev if you're fed up with being battered every week.

Seriously though, you'll be more than welcome and you'll see some cracking rugby in a half decent stadium. Ale and pies are cheaper too.

I'd enjoy watching Fev, it's having the tetanus jabs I'm worried about.

Going into the championship at least means you can see your team winning games again. There are some great grounds to visit and there’s a warm welcome. However that’s only going to last for a short period.

The problem is that if you don’t bounce back within a couple of years you’ll be stuck there as it’s nigh on impossible to compete with SL teams in the playoffs.

Much as I enjoyed our last trip to the lower level (Div 2 at the time), I enjoyed promotion more and want to see us compete with the big boys as much as we can.