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| Quote ="wwildcat48"I think that this confirms Agar is carrying on with his Hull trend by recruiting as many aussies / kolpac / off quota foreigners as possibly allowed and that Matty Wildie & James Davey's development will come to a shuddering halt. i hava also heard today that 2 academy players who have come through the system into the first team squad are also about to leave the club due to Agar....the bloke is a cancer to youth development.'"
Does it confirm it, or are you just taking a wild guess, I personally think the likes of Wildie & Davey will get there chances to impress this year along with one or 2 others but hey that's me, I'm giving the bloke a chance to see what he does.
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| Quote ="wwildcat48"I think that this confirms Agar is carrying on with his Hull trend by recruiting as many aussies / kolpac / off quota foreigners as possibly allowed and that Matty Wildie & James Davey's development will come to a shuddering halt. i hava also heard today that 2 academy players who have come through the system into the first team squad are also about to leave the club due to Agar....the bloke is a cancer to youth development.'"
It confirms nothing, other than that you didn't want Agar as coach.
Let's not hang the bloke out to dry before we have even seen who is going to play when. I don't want our young players held back by foreign imports but equally if they are not ready to play SL week in, week out then I don't want them to do that either as it will affect their long term prospects.
I know a few of them played regularly last year but do you honestly think they would have if we were not so desperate for players due to money restrictions??
I will be hugely disappointed if we lose our younger players but until I hear that it has actually happened then I will back and support my Club and it's coaching staff. Most people think they could do a better job, in reality there's probably one or two people who post on here that would even have a chance of lasting a month.
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| Quote ="Fordy"Quote ="wwildcat48"I think that this confirms Agar is carrying on with his Hull trend by recruiting as many aussies / kolpac / off quota foreigners as possibly allowed and that Matty Wildie & James Davey's development will come to a shuddering halt. i hava also heard today that 2 academy players who have come through the system into the first team squad are also about to leave the club due to Agar....the bloke is a cancer to youth development.'"
It confirms nothing, other than that you didn't want Agar as coach.
Let's not hang the bloke out to dry before we have even seen who is going to play when. I don't want our young players held back by foreign imports but equally if they are not ready to play SL week in, week out then I don't want them to do that either as it will affect their long term prospects.
I know a few of them played regularly last year but do you honestly think they would have if we were not so desperate for players due to money restrictions??
I will be hugely disappointed if we lose our younger players but until I hear that it has actually happened then I will back and support my Club and it's coaching staff. Most people think they could do a better job, in reality there's probably one or two people who post on here that would even have a chance of lasting a month.'"
I wont deny that I did not want agar as coach and i stand by that 100%. The bloke has done nothing at Hull with a full salary cap and a free reign to bring in big Aussie signings year after year. Were you hoping it was him when interviews were taking place ? He stayed in the hull job as long as he did because he is Hetheringtons god son.....no other reason and the minute she went he was the first shown the door....Fact ! and why do you think that was ?
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| I'm with Fordy and Shifty Cat on this one. Let Agar get on with the job and everyone will get their chance if they are good enough. Whenever there's a new signing announced some people on here seem to think it's a nail in the coffin for youth development. Now just hold on there boys, take a chill pill and see how it all pans out. I think it's great that we have plenty to post and discuss and some will be happy and others won't but give the guy a chance to build his team and we can all see what happens. No good summising now who's gonna be playing and who isn't, we'll just have to wait and see.
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| Quote ="wwildcat48"Quote ="Fordy"Quote ="wwildcat48"I think that this confirms Agar is carrying on with his Hull trend by recruiting as many aussies / kolpac / off quota foreigners as possibly allowed and that Matty Wildie & James Davey's development will come to a shuddering halt. i hava also heard today that 2 academy players who have come through the system into the first team squad are also about to leave the club due to Agar....the bloke is a cancer to youth development.'"
It confirms nothing, other than that you didn't want Agar as coach.
Let's not hang the bloke out to dry before we have even seen who is going to play when. I don't want our young players held back by foreign imports but equally if they are not ready to play SL week in, week out then I don't want them to do that either as it will affect their long term prospects.
I know a few of them played regularly last year but do you honestly think they would have if we were not so desperate for players due to money restrictions??
I will be hugely disappointed if we lose our younger players but until I hear that it has actually happened then I will back and support my Club and it's coaching staff. Most people think they could do a better job, in reality there's probably one or two people who post on here that would even have a chance of lasting a month.'"
I wont deny that I did not want agar as coach and i stand by that 100%. The bloke has done nothing at Hull with a full salary cap and a free reign to bring in big Aussie signings year after year. Were you hoping it was him when interviews were taking place ? He stayed in the hull job as long as he did because he is Hetheringtons god son.....no other reason and the minute she went he was the first shown the door....Fact ! and why do you think that was ?'"
He probably wouldn't have been my first choice but I do know that some of the people being talked about/hoped for by some of the fans and even by the club told us in no uncertain terms that they weren't interested.
As I said before though I am willing to give him a chance, he IS our coach now and as such gets my full backing until such time as he proves himself unworthy of that.
I definitely will not slate him before we have even played a game under him, and I think he should be given sufficient chance to prove himself one way or the other. If that means I give him some leeway for the first half of the season then so be it. I'd rather that, than spend my life whining about something which may or may not happen.
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| Paul Aiton: "got the sponsorship number just have to apply for visa.."
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| I am just relieved that after the last harrowing 18 months or so we still have a club and are in a position to sign players, improve the ground and generally look forward with optimism.
I have supported the club for over 50 years.
After the great era of the 60s its really been a time of consistant let downs.
I feel more confident than at any other time that we are on the way back.
Lets not moan about things which have not yet come to fruition and give all concerned at the club a chance.
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| Quote ="frenchdreadnought"Lets not moan about things which have not yet come to fruition and give all concerned at the club a chance.'"
I haven't been around quite as long as you ( ) but I totally agree with your sentiments.
Unfortunately, a couple of infrequent posters on here with what seems to be a personal agenda against RA, refuse to interpret the squad situation as anything other than a sign that he's abandoning the young players.
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| Quote ="frenchdreadnought"I am just relieved that after the last harrowing 18 months or so we still have a club and are in a position to sign players, improve the ground and generally look forward with optimism.
I have supported the club for over 50 years.
After the great era of the 60s its really been a time of consistant let downs.
I feel more confident than at any other time that we are on the way back.
Lets not moan about things which have not yet come to fruition and give all concerned at the club a chance.'"
We must have started supporting round about the same time and I'm with you on this one, although with the last few years' history I'm not quite as confident but still feeling a lot better. Let's give both Agar and the team a chance to bed in and develop. We will be in a much better position to judge in (say) 6 months, though even then may be too soon. It looks like a team not just for this season, which in itself is a good thing.
All we want from the coming season is to be better, have a some more things to cheer about and not to have to worry so much (although that seems to go with the territory!).
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| Aiton could actually help Wildie and Daveys development just by training with them. I know a few aussies that have said he's a good NRL standard hooker thats strong in defence and if he can pass a few defensive tips to them, take them under his wing etc. not to mention the job he will do for us while he is here on the pitch.
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| Quote ="Matty_WTW"Aiton could actually help Wildie and Daveys development just by training with them. I know a few aussies that have said he's a good NRL standard hooker thats strong in defence and if he can pass a few defensive tips to them, take them under his wing etc. not to mention the job he will do for us while he is here on the pitch.'"
All well and good but if Paul Aiton is to also take the captaincy then he is going to be on the pitch longer than most hookers. Giving Wildie and Davy less opportunities.
Andy Ellis will also need game time.
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| Don't know about everyone else but I am sick of hearing the same old posters whining on about the same tired old argument about denying our young players the chance to play in super league . For loves sake change the record, our youngsters got a chance last season and look where that got us. I want to see a trinity side compete week in week out and if that means signing oversees players than so be it. If you want to watch young and upcoming English players the championship is full of them. Let's become competitive first then integrate some youth a bit at a time. Change the record please.
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| Bit in the sun here....
[urlhttp://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/rugby_league/3994591/Wakefield-wait-on-Aiton.html[/url
The man himself says he has now finally received his sponsorship documentation through and is applying for his visa tomorrow.
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| Hey, it's nice to see fans also moaning about signing NRL reserves rather than give youth a chance to be fair rather than just the other way around! Viva la franchise system
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Is he a reserve?
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Is he a reserve?'"
Nope, first teamer all the way.
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Is he a reserve?'"
Nope, first teamer all the way.'"
In Aiton's terms it's probably half and half really, though must admit I was a bit surprised with how many games he has played in. Though my comment was also more general and not club / player specific.
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Is he a reserve?'"
Nope, first teamer all the way.'"
Thats what I thought Vasty...come on Coddy get the facts right!
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| Quote ="brettoncat"Don't know about everyone else but I am sick of hearing the same old posters whining on about the same tired old argument about denying our young players the chance to play in super league . For loves sake change the record, our youngsters got a chance last season and look where that got us. I want to see a trinity side compete week in week out and if that means signing oversees players than so be it. If you want to watch young and upcoming English players the championship is full of them. Let's become competitive first then integrate some youth a bit at a time. Change the record please.'"
It's all about balance - something that is rare on these forums. Youth is fine but it has to be good, it has to be ready and above all the first team needs to be a good first team.
Lat year we had virtually no first team so you're being a bit unfair. However it was woefully short of experience and power. That said we were lucky and unearthed a fair few players who may go on to make it. They were IMO Johnson, Amor, Marriano, Wildie, Morton and Davey in that order so not a bad haul. However that's enough for now, we nned them to continue to improve and a few others youngsters get a few chances but above all we need a team of Pro's which bar perhaps another prop we now have.
Ellis, Aiton and Wildie give us some guile, John some excitement and if his head is screwed on Smith gives us a bit of class. That is what we were missing last year.
I really hope Anakin, Trout and Walshaw make it but you just can't rush it as none of them are exceptional IMHO.
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Is he a reserve?'"
Nope, first teamer all the way.'"
In Aiton's terms it's probably half and half really, though must admit I was a bit surprised with how many games he has played in. Though my comment was also more general and not club / player specific.'"
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You call that a reserve player
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Is he a reserve?'"
Nope, first teamer all the way.'"
In Aiton's terms it's probably half and half really, though must admit I was a bit surprised with how many games he has played in. Though my comment was also more general and not club / player specific.'"
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You call that a reserve player
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No half and half... either that or he's misses half a season with injury each time? We'll go for squad player if you will then. As I say though, point wasn't directly on this signing anyway. Just the overall debate.
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Nope, first teamer all the way.'"
In Aiton's terms it's probably half and half really, though must admit I was a bit surprised with how many games he has played in. Though my comment was also more general and not club / player specific.'"
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No half and half... either that or he's misses half a season with injury each time? We'll go for squad player if you will then. As I say though, point wasn't directly on this signing anyway. Just the overall debate.'"
You're talking rubbish, he's 26 so if he broke through at 21 and made his way up the ranks then that's about right. Looks like he did a full season last year.
That is not a reserve or a 50/50 that's first team end of.
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