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Johnstone said it was because one player felt he couldn't take a knee, so rather than leaving him with his backside out, they decided to make their own show of solidarity by linking arms.
It seems the significance of a team of men of all different backgrounds and creeds stood arm in arm is lost on those screeching that they should have knelt
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Johnstone said it was because one player felt he couldn't take a knee, so rather than leaving him with his backside out, they decided to make their own show of solidarity by linking arms.
=#FF0000:3dnsretuIt seems the significance of a team of men of all different backgrounds and creeds stood arm in arm is lost on those screeching that they should have knelt[
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| Quote ="vastman"=#FF0000:34sisn0tYet strangely you don’t find it strange tha 17 players do take the knee.
Not singling you out mate but just count the players on both sides. no one has 17 but every one seems to have over looked the fact that Wigan only have 12 players there.
Whose missing and why?
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Taking the knee is just tokenism . It will change nothing. It allows people to think they are doing something when they are actually doing nothing concrete to stop institution racism or individual racism .It is like clapping for the NHS . We all did it but nurses are still not getting a pay rise .It makes the individual feel like they are doing something . If you want to do something the next time you are a game ( If we ever are allowed back ) and you hear someone being racist to a player confront them and get the stewards to chuck them out and the club to ban them . Then they may change their behaviour.
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| Quote ="vastman"Brilliant, so racism is a one way issue, people like you are unreal.
Racism is racism regardless of colour, elements of the BLM movement are totally racist.
Currently in South Africa white farmers are being murdered in cold blood with the tacos support of a racist black government by blacks stealing their land. Land they have run for generations, land that the indigenous population wasn’t interested in. These whites have lived there since the 1700’s, they have as much right to be there as anyone.
So if these whites started a white life’s matter group they wold be racist would they?
For once in your life just think before you trot out your glib soundbite rubbish. You’re so indoctrinated it’s frightening.
Hell your post has actually made me truly furious it’s blatant ignorance is so sickening.'"
I do think "white lives matter" has a racist subtext, as does "all lives matter".
Black Lives Matter has a context, as it is essentially means "black lives matter too". The "too" is silent but that is its context. "All Lives Matter" has a subtext of "get back in your box". "White Lives Matter" is a reassertion of power.
But the context is fundamentally American, where the problems are much deeper and more longstanding. The treatment of Dawn Butler over the weekend shows that there is work to be done, but we should stop viewing our society through an American lens.
The British version of BLM does seem to be political opportunism, and when the identity of the British version comes out, (ie, the one that has collected a million quid in donations), they will be exposed as well-known anarchists and rabble-rousers, and probably white.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I do think "white lives matter" has a racist subtext, as does "all lives matter".
Black Lives Matter has a context, as it is essentially means "black lives matter too". The "too" is silent but that is its context. "All Lives Matter" has a subtext of "get back in your box". "White Lives Matter" is a reassertion of power.
But the context is fundamentally American, where the problems are much deeper and more longstanding. The treatment of Dawn Butler over the weekend shows that there is work to be done, but we should stop viewing our society through an American lens.
The British version of BLM does seem to be political opportunism, and when the identity of the British version comes out, (ie, the one that has collected a million quid in donations), they will be exposed as well-known anarchists and rabble-rousers, and probably white.
I agree with the club stance. They can unite against racism without kowtowing to public gestures that are meaningless.'" please explain to me what the BLM movement actually want because it changes every day in this country, three people were interviewed on bbc radio and asked what they wanted to achieve and their answers were I don’t know, so in your wisdom enlighten me what they want and what they stand for. As for the treatment of dawn butler another jumping on the band wagon, London is a totally different planet to up here with murder, guns and knives running rife so the police have every right to do their jobs. The gangs just want a free run of things down there and think they are above the law. |
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I do think "white lives matter" has a racist subtext, as does "all lives matter".
Black Lives Matter has a context, as it is essentially means "black lives matter too". The "too" is silent but that is its context. "All Lives Matter" has a subtext of "get back in your box". "White Lives Matter" is a reassertion of power.
But the context is fundamentally American, where the problems are much deeper and more longstanding. The treatment of Dawn Butler over the weekend shows that there is work to be done, but we should stop viewing our society through an American lens.
The British version of BLM does seem to be political opportunism, and when the identity of the British version comes out, (ie, the one that has collected a million quid in donations), they will be exposed as well-known anarchists and rabble-rousers, and probably white.
I agree with the club stance. They can unite against racism without kowtowing to public gestures that are meaningless.'"
I get where your point but I have managed to find a context where WLM does work which was in response to a single poster.
So you are completely wrong but in the widest context yours is at least reasonable. However this is a brilliant example of what BLM does, it polarises opinion, which in my opinion is exactly what it’s leadership wants. |
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| Quote ="vastman"Is broadly agree but I have managed to find a context where WLM does work whic was in response to a single poster.
So you are completely wrong but in the widest context yours is at least reasonable.'"
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"please explain to me what the BLM movement actually want because it changes every day in this country, three people were interviewed on bbc radio and asked what they wanted to achieve and their answers were I don’t know, so in your wisdom enlighten me what they want and what they stand for. As for the treatment of dawn butler another jumping on the band wagon, London is a totally different planet to up here with murder, guns and knives running rife so the police have every right to do their jobs. The gangs just want a free run of things down there and think they are above the law.'"
I don't disagree. The "movement" over here has been hijacked by people with different agendas, and trying to suggest that the depth of our problems is on a par with the USA is nonsense. That isn't to say that there aren't problems, there are, and Dawn Butler's treatment is an example, stopped for driving a nice car, but over here it is political opportunism. If I were driving through that part of London in a nice car, I bet I wouldn't be stopped, and that's the issue. |
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"If I were driving through that part of London in a nice car, I bet I wouldn't be stopped, and that's the issue.'"
Actually, the car she was in was stopped because the plates didn't match the car* and the suspicion was that it was being used in "County Lines" drug trafficking.
In truth, the plates DID match the car, but the officer had inputted the registration number incorrectly.
In those circumstances, you WOULD be stopped driving a nice car through Hackney.
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If this doesn't stop the nonsense, nothing will.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier ... d=msedgntp
"The owner of a Super League club whose players collectively decided against taking a knee has denied anyone involved is racist, insisting the decision was made to stand in solidarity with a player who said his religious beliefs prohibited him from making the stance.
Wakefield Trinity attracted criticism after their players did not kneel before their game against Wigan, with the squad instead opting to link arms and stand in unison. The likes of Israel Folau of Catalans have also not taken a knee since Super League’s resumption, but Wakefield’s owner, Michael Carter, has stressed his players were keen to send their own anti-racism message while also supporting those who did not feel comfortable kneeling.
a crowd of people watching a football game: Wakefield Trinity’s players link arms while the Wigan Warriors team take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement at Headingley on Sunday.
“We have at least one player who was adamant that their religion did not allow him to kneel for anyone but God,” Carter told the Guardian. “I didn’t feel that was open to question and having spoken with one player privately, he had concerns about the reaction Israel Folau had received to the point he was actively considering standing down.
“My senior group said they were keen to support their teammate and if that meant standing alongside him, they would. However, they were also keen to show unity and send a strong message out that Wakefield Trinity does not condone racism. But equally, there is no way we will isolate someone for their religious beliefs. I think it’s important we explain our stance and not leave things open to interpretation. But this club is not racist.”
Carter said his players will do the same again this weekend, but reiterated: “We put a statement out pre-match insisting we endorse the Black Lives Matter message and are totally against any form of racism. There were eight non-white British players in our line-up on Sunday who stood shoulder-to-shoulder … how anyone can conceive what we did as racist is beyond me and incredibly disappointing.”
Carter admitted he has received messages of abuse from his club’s supporters on the matter, but admitted he, Wakefield and the game as a whole need to continue to educate on the message surrounding Black Lives Matter. “We will back any anti-racism campaign that comes from this.
“I’ve had messages of support from the RFL, though a disappointing lack of support from certain quarters. But when the RFL’s head of diversity, Alex Simmons, agrees that the stance we took showed a defiant stand against racism, what can we do? There’s an agenda with racism and people want to use it to create chaos.” |
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If this doesn't stop the nonsense, nothing will.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier ... d=msedgntp
"The owner of a Super League club whose players collectively decided against taking a knee has denied anyone involved is racist, insisting the decision was made to stand in solidarity with a player who said his religious beliefs prohibited him from making the stance.
Wakefield Trinity attracted criticism after their players did not kneel before their game against Wigan, with the squad instead opting to link arms and stand in unison. The likes of Israel Folau of Catalans have also not taken a knee since Super League’s resumption, but Wakefield’s owner, Michael Carter, has stressed his players were keen to send their own anti-racism message while also supporting those who did not feel comfortable kneeling.
a crowd of people watching a football game: Wakefield Trinity’s players link arms while the Wigan Warriors team take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement at Headingley on Sunday.
“We have at least one player who was adamant that their religion did not allow him to kneel for anyone but God,” Carter told the Guardian. “I didn’t feel that was open to question and having spoken with one player privately, he had concerns about the reaction Israel Folau had received to the point he was actively considering standing down.
“My senior group said they were keen to support their teammate and if that meant standing alongside him, they would. However, they were also keen to show unity and send a strong message out that Wakefield Trinity does not condone racism. But equally, there is no way we will isolate someone for their religious beliefs. I think it’s important we explain our stance and not leave things open to interpretation. But this club is not racist.”
Carter said his players will do the same again this weekend, but reiterated: “We put a statement out pre-match insisting we endorse the Black Lives Matter message and are totally against any form of racism. There were eight non-white British players in our line-up on Sunday who stood shoulder-to-shoulder … how anyone can conceive what we did as racist is beyond me and incredibly disappointing.”
Carter admitted he has received messages of abuse from his club’s supporters on the matter, but admitted he, Wakefield and the game as a whole need to continue to educate on the message surrounding Black Lives Matter. “We will back any anti-racism campaign that comes from this.
“I’ve had messages of support from the RFL, though a disappointing lack of support from certain quarters. But when the RFL’s head of diversity, Alex Simmons, agrees that the stance we took showed a defiant stand against racism, what can we do? There’s an agenda with racism and people want to use it to create chaos.” | |
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Quote ="dboy"If this doesn't stop the nonsense, nothing will.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier ... d=msedgntp
"The owner of a Super League club whose players collectively decided against taking a knee has denied anyone involved is racist, insisting the decision was made to stand in solidarity with a player who said his religious beliefs prohibited him from making the stance.
Wakefield Trinity attracted criticism after their players did not kneel before their game against Wigan, with the squad instead opting to link arms and stand in unison. The likes of Israel Folau of Catalans have also not taken a knee since Super League’s resumption, but Wakefield’s owner, Michael Carter, has stressed his players were keen to send their own anti-racism message while also supporting those who did not feel comfortable kneeling.
a crowd of people watching a football game: Wakefield Trinity’s players link arms while the Wigan Warriors team take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement at Headingley on Sunday.
“We have at least one player who was adamant that their religion did not allow him to kneel for anyone but God,” Carter told the Guardian. “I didn’t feel that was open to question and having spoken with one player privately, he had concerns about the reaction Israel Folau had received to the point he was actively considering standing down.
“My senior group said they were keen to support their teammate and if that meant standing alongside him, they would. However, they were also keen to show unity and send a strong message out that Wakefield Trinity does not condone racism. But equally, there is no way we will isolate someone for their religious beliefs. I think it’s important we explain our stance and not leave things open to interpretation. But this club is not racist.”
Carter said his players will do the same again this weekend, but reiterated: “We put a statement out pre-match insisting we endorse the Black Lives Matter message and are totally against any form of racism. There were eight non-white British players in our line-up on Sunday who stood shoulder-to-shoulder … how anyone can conceive what we did as racist is beyond me and incredibly disappointing.”
Carter admitted he has received messages of abuse from his club’s supporters on the matter, but admitted he, Wakefield and the game as a whole need to continue to educate on the message surrounding Black Lives Matter. “We will back any anti-racism campaign that comes from this.
“I’ve had messages of support from the RFL, though a disappointing lack of support from certain quarters. But when the RFL’s head of diversity, Alex Simmons, agrees that the stance we took showed a defiant stand against racism, what can we do? There’s an agenda with racism and people want to use it to create chaos.”'"
As said before the club did everything correctly and respectfully but people without a brain won’t get it. Well done to the club for doing the right thing.
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier ... d=msedgntp
"The owner of a Super League club whose players collectively decided against taking a knee has denied anyone involved is racist, insisting the decision was made to stand in solidarity with a player who said his religious beliefs prohibited him from making the stance.
Wakefield Trinity attracted criticism after their players did not kneel before their game against Wigan, with the squad instead opting to link arms and stand in unison. The likes of Israel Folau of Catalans have also not taken a knee since Super League’s resumption, but Wakefield’s owner, Michael Carter, has stressed his players were keen to send their own anti-racism message while also supporting those who did not feel comfortable kneeling.
a crowd of people watching a football game: Wakefield Trinity’s players link arms while the Wigan Warriors team take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement at Headingley on Sunday.
“We have at least one player who was adamant that their religion did not allow him to kneel for anyone but God,” Carter told the Guardian. “I didn’t feel that was open to question and having spoken with one player privately, he had concerns about the reaction Israel Folau had received to the point he was actively considering standing down.
“My senior group said they were keen to support their teammate and if that meant standing alongside him, they would. However, they were also keen to show unity and send a strong message out that Wakefield Trinity does not condone racism. But equally, there is no way we will isolate someone for their religious beliefs. I think it’s important we explain our stance and not leave things open to interpretation. But this club is not racist.”
Carter said his players will do the same again this weekend, but reiterated: “We put a statement out pre-match insisting we endorse the Black Lives Matter message and are totally against any form of racism. There were eight non-white British players in our line-up on Sunday who stood shoulder-to-shoulder … how anyone can conceive what we did as racist is beyond me and incredibly disappointing.”
Carter admitted he has received messages of abuse from his club’s supporters on the matter, but admitted he, Wakefield and the game as a whole need to continue to educate on the message surrounding Black Lives Matter. “We will back any anti-racism campaign that comes from this.
“I’ve had messages of support from the RFL, though a disappointing lack of support from certain quarters. But when the RFL’s head of diversity, Alex Simmons, agrees that the stance we took showed a defiant stand against racism, what can we do? There’s an agenda with racism and people want to use it to create chaos.”'"
As said before the club did everything correctly and respectfully but people without a brain won’t get it. Well done to the club for doing the right thing.
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I think a lot of people are getting hung up on the Black Lives Matter org.
For me, black lives matter is just a statement. All lower case. They do. And they should matter more than some people think.
I think I'm going to start saying I support anti racism. It's clearer.
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| Quote ="Wakefield City"As said before the club did everything correctly and respectfully but people without a brain won’t get it. Well done to the club for doing the right thing.
Up the Trin'"
Only those who are intent on causing trouble and division, would find even the tiniest of faut with that statement. I’ve had my opinions on BLM movement, and taking the knee, but I will back MC and the club on this action. It’s a brilliant example of how to please everyone, (most people anyway), and should endorsed by the RFL/SL, perhaps other sports might follow.  |
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| Quote ="PopTart"I think a lot of people are getting hung up on the Black Lives Matter org.
For me, black lives matter is just a statement. All lower case. They do. And they should matter more than some people think.
I think I'm going to start saying I support anti racism. It's clearer.'"
Many people can't see, or won't accept the distinction between the two.
I have even seen some arguing (probably not on this forum), that there is no such thing as the BLM organisation.
Carter and the club have now very clearly explained their pro-equality, anti-racism stance - it's probably time to shut this down and talk about referees. |
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Legs lock it down as far as I am concerned the club as made it clear were they stand
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I guess next time the players could unfurl a banner as they stand spelling out "no to racism" or something similar. That way both left and right can not take the stance out of context.
I think the general issue is BLM, when I last read about it, is protesting against ant-black racism. To me its unhelpful to sub-divde such an issue. Racism is racism whether its against Black, Asian, Arab, Aboriginee, Hispanic or even dare I say it white.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I guess next time the players could unfurl a banner as they stand spelling out "no to racism" or something similar. That way both left and right can not take the stance out of context.
I think the general issue is BLM, when I last read about it, is protesting against ant-black racism. To me its unhelpful to sub-divde such an issue. Racism is racism whether its against Black, Asian, Arab, Aboriginee, Hispanic or even dare I say it white.'"
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Who remembers just a few years ago the slogan of the day then was : "KEEP POLITICS OUT OF SPORT". What happened??? Perhaps it would be better if both players and officials just walked out onto the pitch, took up their playing positions and kicked off. How refreshing that would be.
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I’ve just been watching this weeks episode of fourty 20. If MC has seen last night, or received information of what has been said, then I’m not surprised he closed his twitter. I’ve always thought that Phil Caplin, was an ok journalist, but not after listening to his comments today, will I never purchase his magazine again. He wants to pander to the twitter fanatics, one minute he saying the game needs to debate how as a sport we deal with taking the knee, and dealing with some players views re religion etc, then he comes out with the statement along the lines of “as a sport, all players must take the knee, otherwise, they can’t play. He thinks the game’s sponsors, Sky, Might be upset, and we have to respect the BLM movement and take the knee. What the Hell, other Coaches within our game say they respect their players decision on wether to take knee or not. How can our game’s governing body instruct players on what political stance they should take. The twitter brigade have got the likes of Caplin, running scared, and allowing themselves to be bullied. God, if I ever see him at BV again, he’ll get a right telling off. I hope MC, the club stick to their guns, I don’t want to be part of a sport that runs scared of twitter bullying.
This conversation starts about 53 minutes into the program
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Seems like people are not allowed a personal opinion on this matter. Good for you Trinity players, for not just following on like sheep.
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| Quote ="chunkyhugo"Seems like people are not allowed a personal opinion on this matter. Good for you Trinity players, for not just following on like sheep.'"
They are allowed a personal opinion as long as it’s the same as theirs  for what it’s worth it was up there with the best Trinity performances I’ve seen and without a ball kicked, long may it continue. |
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They're just living in some weird reality bubble
How can they not know, all they have to do is read what's happening in the real World, just put social media down for 10 ******* minutes.
Part of me thinks that, and then there's the other part that fears that they don't actually care, that all that matters is book perception, corporate political interests and their own narcissistic fulfillment.
BLM is an import, everything about it is poisoned beyond repair, if we want to show support for racial equality, and we absolutely do, then we have do something that doesn't appear to support a radical political ideology.
People will say, well we don't support the political bit, just the racial equality bit, well that ship has sailed unfortunately.
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The club has fallen victim to the ubiquitous plague of social media.
We all read the clubs statement prior to the match and are well aware of the club's stance on equality, inclusiveness and racism.
However, all that some on social media knew about it was a still photo of a team in white standing up 'opposing' a team in yellow who were 'taking a knee'. That's all they needed. There was no context and they are so quick to be offended and desperate to find anything that matches and 'justifies' their own views that they don't stop to check any facts. Then it spreads like wildfire amongst 'like-minded' souls in their social bubble echo chamber. It's difficult to get the truth out once the false perception has made it all the way round the world.
We need now to double-down on our stance to mark our rejection of racism in our own way, although next time it needs to more overtly obvious to the casual observer. The club's record should speak for itself, but such things don't count to the frothy-mouthed twitterati.
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BLM banners should be replaced with anti-racism slogans.
Well done Wakefield!
This is BLM and why I reject them....
https://youtu.be/ilZJB5vsmq4 |
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BLM banners should be replaced with anti-racism slogans.
Well done Wakefield!
This is BLM and why I reject them....
https://youtu.be/ilZJB5vsmq4 | |
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for what it’s worth it was up there with the best Trinity performances I’ve seen and without a ball kicked, long may it continue.
