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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"You can only negotiate if the other party agree to negotiate otherwise you have indeed signed your own death warrant.
There is no point of a stadium without the club otherwise it will be a white elephant. The PI was clear that this Community Stadium was to secure the future of Wakefield Trinity who would maintain the facility facility for use by the wider community.
Without Wakefield Trinity there will be no stadium and that's probably what some want.'"
I'd rather they built a white elephant then get away with not building it at all. Clearly they are hoping the club refuse the terms then they can say they tried thier best but it was out of their hands.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"You're right it would but I don't see a viable alternative. If it doesn't get built then we're stuffed. Of course this could be the start of the hard ball but it's easier when there is something for the other side to lose. Right now if the terms aren't signed they're laughing all the way to the bank, if they're signed it will show them up for the crooks they are.
Ultimately if the portrayed reason the stadium doesn't get built is because the club didn't agree terms then they truly have won and the scandal will never hit the mainstream news.'"
We are screwed either way though aren't we.
Agree to unacceptable terms and let me tell you the are well and truly unacceptable and the Club dies a lingering death or refuse to accept them and they have won and the Club dies.
Have you spotted the theme yet. Oh and of course we have a rival Trust who will find the terms acceptable because they can get their snouts in the trough at the expense of the people of Wakefield and the last remaining professional sporting club in the City of Wakefield.
Some need to hang their heads in shame but they have no conscience or shame.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I'd rather they built a white elephant then get away with not building it at all. Clearly they are hoping the club refuse the terms then they can say they tried thier best but it was out of their hands.'"
Matt, have you not spotted it yet.
No one has any intention of building any stadium. It's all a charade to avoid building it and then guess who gets the blame.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Matt, have you not spotted it yet.
No one has any intention of building any stadium. It's all a charade to avoid building it and then guess who gets the blame.'"
I know, but I don't want them to be able to absolve themselves of yhe blame.
Even if they were signed up to its unlikely they would ever come into effect so it makes no end what we agree to. Make them them selves as their little plan hasn't worked.
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| Time to release all the details to the press and name and shame the greedy scumballs. Why keep anything confidential now ? Get it all out there !
It's obvious this is what the trust were %99 sure what was going to happen. So they should be prepared to let is all know the details and see for ourselves.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"We are screwed either way though aren't we.
Agree to unacceptable terms and let me tell you the are well and truly unacceptable and the Club dies a lingering death or refuse to accept them and they have won and the Club dies.
Have you spotted the theme yet. Oh and of course we have a rival Trust who will find the terms acceptable because they can get their snouts in the trough at the expense of the people of Wakefield and the last remaining professional sporting club in the City of Wakefield.
Some need to hang their heads in shame but they have no conscience or shame.'"
SC what I don't understand is why isn't all this being aired in the local press ? If it was a public body they would be crucified in the press but it seems private enterprise are excused from public exposure.
Where the hell are the Wakefield Express in all this anyway - do they have reporters nowadays with the bottle to get into this white collar crap? It's absolutely scandalous that greedy individuals can basically cheat the system so blatantly and get away with it!
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| Quote ="MashPotatoes"Time to release all the details to the press and name and shame the greedy scumballs. Why keep anything confidential now ? Get it all out there !
It's obvious this is what the trust were %99 sure what was going to happen. So they should be prepared to let is all know the details and see for ourselves.'"
Don't think you will be waiting long.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I know, but I don't want them to be able to absolve themselves of yhe blame.
Even if they were signed up to its unlikely they would ever come into effect so it makes no end what we agree to. Make them poop them selves as their little plan hasn't worked.'"
I cannot speak for the Club but I do not believe there is any chance whatsover they would sign up to the totally unacceptable terms that have been put forward. They would be certified and sectioned if they did.
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"SC what I don't understand is why isn't all this being aired in the local press ? If it was a public body they would be crucified in the press but it seems private enterprise are excused from public exposure.
Where the hell are the Wakefield Express in all this anyway - do they have reporters nowadays with the bottle to get into this white collar crap? It's absolutely scandalous that greedy individuals can basically cheat the system so blatantly and get away with it!'"
The Local paper is a waste of space.
We have tried at all times to be reasonable and make compromises but I think the time for reasonableness is long gone.
Any public disclosures will be through a National Media outlet.
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| The terms are known then? From the responses of people in the know, it's obvious that there are people who have acted disgracefully, acted out of greed, and I just find it so hard to believe. I skipped the game tonight. My heart isn't in it.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"The Local paper is a waste of space.
We have tried at all times to be reasonable and make compromises but I think the time for reasonableness is long gone.
Any public disclosures will be through a National Media outlet.'"
Agree re local press. National much better idea!
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"The terms are known then? From the responses of people in the know, it's obvious that there are people who have acted disgracefully, acted out of greed, and I just find it so hard to believe. I skipped the game tonight. My heart isn't in it.'"
They are and as I say they are totally unacceptable.
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| Reading SC and DC posts they both appear to be alot angrier/attempting to hide it less which suggests they have seen the proposals and know it would actual reduce the clubs income from what it is now.
It really appears to be a grubby dirty deal by RW and YC, facilitated by PB. Why would MC or others continue to knock their pan in for free while somebody else sat in an office miles away profits on it?
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| 4th in League and we still have the stadium issue overshadowing what should be such a joyful season.
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| Why are the Council letting Yorkcourt dictate this whole thing on their terms...do we know whether Box could profit in someway by it not getting built? If not, then why wouldn't he/the council put their foot down?
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| Quote ="thebeagle"4th in League and we still have the stadium issue overshadowing what should be such a joyful season.'"
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| It's all doublespeak from peter box ,but he cannot stop us on the field 4th in the league and a real credit to mc and the players and coaching staff .
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| Quote ="Jizzer"Why are the Council letting Yorkcourt dictate this whole thing on their terms...do we know whether Box could profit in someway by it not getting built? If not, then why wouldn't he/the council put their foot down?'"
Excellent question. Answers on a postcard please.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Excellent question. Answers on a postcard please.'"
Why is it even a question
staying away from the Box is a Cas fan angle
Peter Box was instrumental in getting the greenbelt reclassified as land that could be built on....no ?
Assuming he doesn't benefit financially from the deal, and yeah, I know its dangerous to assume anything, he gets the green to brown on the back of a new stadium promise.
Now either he doesn't want to look like a chump in public after being swindled out of the public property he's been charged with the care of, or he does benefit financially, in either case, he isn't going to want to be put under any scrutiny.
You'd think he'd be doing a bit of his own dictating to make this thing happen as promised and avoid attention, unless of course the other 2 members of the bermuda triangle have too much 5h1t on him.
I'm gonna go with that last line till proven false, it seems like the whole thing is on a cliff edge and the triangle is doing the only thing it can do, front it out.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"They are and as I say they are totally unacceptable.'"
Looks to me like its time to get some top class specialist Barrister in to give us some advice and help us with this predicament.
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"SC what I don't understand is why isn't all this being aired in the local press ? If it was a public body they would be crucified in the press but it seems private enterprise are excused from public exposure.
Where the hell are the Wakefield Express in all this anyway - do they have reporters nowadays with the bottle to get into this white collar crap? It's absolutely scandalous that greedy individuals can basically cheat the system so blatantly and get away with it!'" the Wakefield Express is more bothered when there a trunk fast under the bridge on donny road that's their level of media
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| Very convenient that the trust didn't receive the heads of terms until after the Box appearance on radio
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| That ancient title of SIR should have gone at the end of the dark ages. People who hold it think the ordinary public are just peasants.
SIR jimmy Saville look what he thought it could enable him to do.
SIR Philip green thought he could use other peoples pensions for his gain.
SIR .... well you can fill in the rest.
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| Kevin Sinfield?
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