I for one not gonna change my mind on agar.yes we played better yestersay esp in defence but we wasnt that good till 25 mins to go.we never looked like we gonna score.to me the officals changed the game more than agar we got some bad calls then hull got a try from a clesr forward pass and that seemed to change us.also had mcshsne not got injured would godinet been on pitch so long cos he was our bedt player for me

Quote ="lampyboy"Over 10 pages on Redford out on the hull page'" www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/27278207 Not surprised - listen to that interview, in which he twice appears to blame the crowd for the poor performance, and claims that he had every single Wakefield player offered to him, but passed. I'm not always enamoured by RA's post-match interviews, but that's just bizarre.

Quote ="lampyboy"Over 10 pages on Redford out on the hull page'" www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/27278207 Not surprised - listen to that interview, in which he twice appears to blame the crowd for the poor performance, and claims that he had every single Wakefield player offered to him, but passed. I'm not always enamoured by RA's post-match interviews, but that's just bizarre.

Acts like a dead man walking, good win by the way, said in another thread don't be surprised if you won as we cant put back to back performances in this season at all. Don't fall into the Agar trap, loads of times whilst at Hull we produced the odd great performance, then weeks of poor ones. You have a decent side on paper and shouldn't be the position you are.

I'm still not sure if R As the man or not, but he's the one in the job and for that he gets my support. He seems to be constantly under the cosh from some supporters, but on the whole I find it difficult to agree with the majority of the complaints. Every decision taken will be taken based on reason , and what seems strange may not be the case. As a fan I long to be asssosiated with a well run, successful , structured , and forward thinking club. On the field it would be great to finish in the top four, have a fantastic home record and reach th cc cup final . In general I think from what we had at the season start the clubs achieved and before we dump the coach it would be nice for R A to have a problem free start to a season. On the club off field activities lets hope things are on the up and stability can be achieved. With the introduction of relegation it's more important than ever the club remain focused on achieving a SL position next season, and that for me will be a success.we can then look forward to a another season in the top flight and hopefully plan accordingly in the off season. I think Widnes have done a great job over the last 3seasons. I know they had no threat of relegation, but they set their stall out and have steadily built season after season. They are now what seems to be in a position of strength, and starting to re sight many of the playing staff and see great results on the field. Lets get behind the club for the remainder of the season, show our support and unite.

Great result short term, particularly with Bradford also winning, long term not so much. Pressure somewhat relieved on Agar meaning his unlikely departure is now even further away.

Ha, I don't think so.

Why don't you return to the Hull site you currently have more people interested in what you have to say. I regret even there you don't appear to generate much support because they have moved on and have greater issues than Agar. I do see some connection between you and some on the Hull board because they are asking for a new coach and questionning his positional choices.

I wouldn't worry we are not going to win every game so you will have more opportunities to spread your philosophy.

Good because I have no time for people like you either - zero credibility, as if I care

Why? Does it put everything right - was it even Agars doing?

I started the year zero thread so I'm willing to give him a chance but to say all is now right and he was unfairly treated then NO he wasn't.

If you're going to make mindless replies at least don't compound it with atrocious spelling

Even after an unexpected win people are moaning, no matter how much we all moan on herr nothing will change just behind the lads!

Who's moaning I'm delighted.

Wasnt specifically aimed at you.

I didn't think it was just putting the record straight

You should take a few days off here

Exactly. It's fine by me to be in the Agar out camp but when good things happen like these wins, enjoy the present. Living in the past or worrying about the future spoils the present. We won and we won in style! Lets be happy about this and give credit to Agar and the players for this win at the very least!

I don't mind people still having worries Re Agar but if that's everyone's main thoughts after a great win it spoils people's enjoyment.

On a slightly different point on coaching and coaches. Look at Tony Smith at Warrington, Brian Noble when at Salford/Bradford and Brian McDermott at Leeds. They all have been heavily criticised and massively successful in equal measures. Being a coach is a devils job. Even winning GFs and some Leeds fans wanted McDermott out!

Lastly re coaches... From the kit man, to Physio, assistant and all staff connected to the running of the team they all need to be professional and competent in what they do. I remember a certain person from a certain team running onto the field and passing a different message to the players to what the coach instructed! Things like this undermines and hinders the whole structure.

I'm still wanting Agar to succeed. I'm also glad the players stepped up and are pleased for them. There's no doubt for whatever reasons we haven't been consistently good enough but even if its just a second half, v Hull they were good enough! Onwards and upwards hopefully.. #backthebadge

Fair comments those Mick and difficult to disagree with any of it....

I've been as big a defender of Agar as anyone, not because I think he's the best out there, far from it....he makes errors like all coaches, just think a lot has gone against in him in his time with us and has copped a lot of unfair flack this year in particular....probably comes with the added pressure of relegation, which is understandable to an extent....I dont honestly see a better option out there to us though and have faith he will lead us to enough wins to make us safe.....backing an under pressure coach aint always a bad thing....

Salford could prove to be quite a good yardstick to compare ourselves to as we both had wholesale changes since last season....I dont think anyone could question that on paper they looked to have signed stronger than us......they also had the huge majority of their squad together for a pre-season.....we are behind them in that respect and if we would just have nicked that win over them in the opening game then look how the table would look now.....

In recent weeks they have got rid of Noble and brought in a rookie in Iestyn Harris....a truly great player and leader on the field and been around top coaches all his career.....do they look any better now tha 4-5 weeks ago under Noble? The jury has to be out on that one for me, albeit only being able to judge on match results as I haven't seen their performances as opposed to under Noble....

Us on the other hand have steadily improved week by week after a humiliation at Hull KR and then every bit as bad a thrashing at home to Leeds in the cup.....since then we were right in the game against an excellent and much improved Cas side only to lose it late on.....and improved performances away to two of the best sides in the league in Leeds & Huddersfield.....in no way being embarrassed with weakened sides and trying out new combinations....then of course our tremendous victory yesterday at Hull......

Sometimes think sticking by a man is the way to go......another recent example of this you could look to would be Denis Betts at Widnes.....at times he's come under ridiculous pressure from fans....remember them taking some absolute pastings at times last year but they stuck by their man, gave him time and look a whole lot better for it this season....

If what happened yesterday continues to happen, I'll be satisfied. If it was a flash in the pan, I'll continue to be disgruntled.

It's pretty straightforward really - effort, application, commitment and cohesion; win or lose, that's what I want to see.

Agar to Fev could happen.

Agree, your first paragraph re Agar shows good balance and fairness. I also understand others having reservations but as you say it's not always a bad thing backing an under fire coach! RE Betts. They did take pastings and they did stick by him in a relegation threatened year. It has paid off! A good example. It's a very difficult decision when looking at keeping or sacking a coach. I would say overall in all sports we are too trigger happy to get rid of coaches IMO. Football has many horrendous examples..

Good.

Doubt it, their statement says they are going to appoint a top coaching team.

Very good Boyem, you've given me a chuckle there


If you need cheering up at any point this week, have a look on the FC board at the Radford out thread, wow.

No need to leave our forum, I put a link on page four of this thread for "ease of access"

I know we won last week but is it worth one of our coaches going to this? www.therhinos.co.uk/news/22992.php?#.U2qjD9q9KSM

I know we won last week but is it worth one of our coaches going to this? www.therhinos.co.uk/news/22992.php?#.U2qjD9q9KSM