Cut off the barriers.
Cut a hole.
Dig out the arisings and dispose
Cast a C35 / C50 slab in situ - guessing at 600 square by 500 deep - perhaps more.
Re-bolt barriers.
Repeat....

Simples!

10.30 at BV tomorrow it is then

hi ho hi ho and all that.

I do hope your not just going to let any wally cut them off, lets have some perspective you could end up with barriers for the scrap bin

Great timing. Pathetic !! Was the inspector a cas fan. Its only been safe for 135 years. IDIOTS !!

Talking of idiots, will you be there with your pick

Your spelling is getting worse Baz.

well just got back from Belle Vue.

now I hope your not expecting a detail report of what's wrong and how we are going to fix the problems as it wouldn't be right to disclose to all and sundry on here.

what I can tell you is yes there a few issues that need addressing and from what we have spoken about today has been constructive enough to start a procedure so we know what we are dealing with.

both Michael and Chris have shown a lot of trust in the fans today turning up in opening the doors to the work that does need doing and it looks like we have the relative experience between us to get the problems sorted.

is it doable, yes, there are ways around it and are looking to try and find the quickest and cheapest way that can increase the capacity to near what we had before.

let me just say don't expect miracles as this isn't an over night fix but I'm sure the club will be able to show once again that it has every intention of fulfilling its obligation to the safety of the fans

we need your support not as much helping but understanding that the first few home games may have limitations ie stadium capacity

for all enquiries about work that is to be done its better addressed to the club if you can help

Thanks for the update Snowie. BTW how many volunteeers turned up? I neither have the relevant experience or age on my side. Is there any financial help those of us in similar circumstances could put forward (however small). One for DC or KH I presume?

Second 60s cat.
Cannot help physically as in France, but would make donation to cause.
Great to hear people with necesary skills willing to help.

8or so including a couple of young ladies and yes only MC and KH could answer your question.In a nut shell,north stand could be a quick fix,but the east stand needs a bit more TLC and could take a little longer.

lets not jump to assumptions that the north stand could be a quick fix, there are different circumstances to each of the three sides where the barrier's are and we have looked at a different ways that may be pleasing to the H/S and satisfy there requirements.

while Belle Vue doesn't accommodate a big attendance it will still come into the same bracket as say a stadium of say 40k build

if anyone as like said would like to donate primary to the help of the mods to the stadium, I would contact the club as there will be a fair amount of consumables used just in the alterations.

to all that attended today thanks should be given as most of the meeting was accessing who could help in what way, this is not a just a diy job but the effort's will be needed at a later date when we do crack on with it once we have some type of schedule.

I was working this morning but have left my details with Amy at the club. I can labour with the best of em.

I can make the tea

don't under estimate your skills baz, I remember you used to be a welder

£2.80 I suppose .

I have experience in project management and would be willing to cast a critical eye over what needs to be done if that is any help, unfortunately I have a glass back and can't really offer and manual skills, other than maybe going to the shop for milk and sugar to help Baz

If there are areas of the ground that need intensive work would it be an idea to look at erecting temporary seating over the terracing in these areas. A 2 minute Google has brought up this: www.mobilestructures.co.uk/big-t ... -sale.html not the big top!!, but at the bottom there are 6000 seats for sale.

If there are areas of the ground that need intensive work would it be an idea to look at erecting temporary seating over the terracing in these areas. A 2 minute Google has brought up this: www.mobilestructures.co.uk/big-t ... -sale.html not the big top!!, but at the bottom there are 6000 seats for sale.

Quote ="rlfan"If there are areas of the ground that need intensive work would it be an idea to look at erecting temporary seating over the terracing in these areas. A 2 minute Google has brought up this: www.mobilestructures.co.uk/big-t ... -sale.html not the big top!!, but at the bottom there are 6000 seats for sale.'" that's fine but how much, do you want to sit in a seat that's not under cover like what happened at KR

Quote ="rlfan"If there are areas of the ground that need intensive work would it be an idea to look at erecting temporary seating over the terracing in these areas. A 2 minute Google has brought up this: www.mobilestructures.co.uk/big-t ... -sale.html not the big top!!, but at the bottom there are 6000 seats for sale.'" that's fine but how much, do you want to sit in a seat that's not under cover like what happened at KR

What annoys me is why the council health and safety people waited until only three weeks before the start of the season to undertake their audit of the ground and then inform the club that the ground did not meet requirments. The club then have to put out a call for help from the fans. Why couldn`t the council have done their tests weeks ago, giving the club more notice and time to get the ground in order before the start of the season.

from what I understand these issue's should of been sorted some time ago.

I would certainly ask questions as to why the barrier's had been installed not to specifications anyway, as an engineer you duty bound not to install anything that doesn't comply with the law when it is directly within the public, i.e. laying paving stones that you could easily trip over within the street or in this case barrier's that in a crush similar to the Sheffield Wednesday ground where the Liverpool fans sadly lost their lives caught in a area where they couldn't get out of the way because of the caged front to stop stupid fans entering the field.
these are why we are now caught up with set standards which might seem extreme to Belle Vue

Was it the council? I thought it was the HSE.

What are the regulations? had a quick look online and could not find any specification, other than deflection testing.

Says on the cas forum that the new roofs were applied for as a temporary building and need re applying for to keep them up?? Hope that has been done if true.

Yep. Mentioned this last week or so. Permission was granted just over two years ago so I'm sure we'd have heard something if they had to come down.

it was HSE through the council which gives the license

the regs are complicated and like I said earlier was set in stone and have to be either same as or better than the regs, these was set to adhere to football grounds

hopefully we will be getting down to sorting a meeting to find out plan of improvements
we have someone getting the required advice to make sure that the work we do is what will pass, we certainly don't want to spend time redoing it thinking its right

I wouldn't worry what the cas forum is saying as far as stadium problems, you want up dates just stick to this one