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| Whilst forward passes are annoying, its swing & roundabouts, the most blatant one I can remember was James Evans at Cas in 2006. Even so, the linesmen are getting paid for doing the square route of sod all. I’ve no idea how much they get paid, but, based on their input, it’s far too much. Everybody bleats on about the Ref’s but there’s a lot going on out there and a little help from his ‘assistants’ wouldn’t go amiss.
Wigans 1st try was well forwards, and momentum couldn’t be sited, he also pinged Peterson in the 2nd half, when he wasn’t actually in touch, yet missed one when he was – very poor, but, they fitted in nicely with our performance .
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| Quote ="darwoo11"I thought the Hock try was sure to be disallowed for leading with the forearm. I don't think it was a sin binning or sending off offence but was IMO definately a penalty. I seriously have to question the video referees judgement.'"
Someone should smash the video ref accross the face with an elbow and then ask him if he wants to change his mind.
Seriously though, The decision was made by someone who has surely never played the game and therefore can't identify with being on the receiving end of that kind of hit.
The fact is that Hock lead with his elbow/forearm and thats illegal, from that point on it does'nt matter what happens as it has to come back for a penalty or worse.
Anyone who saw the Aus V NZ Test match on Friday morning will have heard Phil Gould slate the officials for disallowing a good try.
Now I don't like Gould and I disagree with much that he says, he lets his jingoistic biggotry get in the way of his judgement too often.
On Friday though he made a statement that too many officials know the rules but crucialy they don't know the game and as such they make poor calls.
This was the case in point with the video refs decision that Hock had done nothing wrong!
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| Yeah some of the refs decisions were poor but its not the refs fault that our tackling is pathetic at times. My gran could do better
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"Let me ask this question, If had been the other way round and it was Pitts arm/elbow/hand on Hock's throat/chin would he have got away with it.
I don't think so.'"
Would he have got away with it had we not been on tv?. Remember the KR forward Azu wotsit what got sent off at BV for the same thing a couple of seasons' ago.
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| joe vagana was the same away last year got an immediate red if he would have dissalowed the try for foul play would he have had to send off hock talking about refs i think thalers been absolute garbage this afternoon
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| If any of you were concenred about the 'refereeing standards' you'd be looking at controvercial decisions that went both way for each side yesterday....Not just those went in Wigan's favour, wouldn't you?
That's unless EVERY single decision went against Wakefield and this thread really isn't sour grapes?
You lost. Accept it. Get over it.
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"If any of you were concenred about the 'refereeing standards' you'd be looking at controvercial decisions that went both way for each side yesterday....Not just those went in Wigan's favour, wouldn't you?
That's unless EVERY single decision went against Wakefield and this thread really isn't sour grapes?
You lost. Accept it. Get over it.'"
If you read most peoples views I think you'll find they said the best team won and the ref din't cost us the game, it was our own inadequacies that did that. For me the standard of refereeing has generally got worse since they went full time and our game is getting like american football, both sides got away with boat loads of forward passes yesterday, the fact you scored your first try that was two yards forwards makes it harder to stomach. The same happened to Hull against Salford at the KC, if a ref can't spot the most blatant ones then what will he spot? FWIW I believe the vide ref should be allowed to judge on forward passes.
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"Let me ask this question, If had been the other way round and it was Pitts arm/elbow/hand on Hock's throat/chin would he have got away with it.
I don't think so.'"
If Jay had have done that to Hock on purpose he would not have got up for a while mate, not that he would but if he did
To answer the question NO.
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"If any of you were concenred about the 'refereeing standards' you'd be looking at controvercial decisions that went both way for each side yesterday....Not just those went in Wigan's favour, wouldn't you?
That's unless EVERY single decision went against Wakefield and this thread really isn't sour grapes?
You lost. Accept it. Get over it.'"
Tut tut Alex, I was just starting to like you as well ...
The majority of Wakey fans have stated the best team won, its a debate about refereeing standards, we have discussed this on here in the past - even when we have won!!
Chill!!!
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Tut tut Alex, I was just starting to like you as well ...
The majority of Wakey fans have stated the best team won, its a debate about refereeing standards, we have discussed this on here in the past - even when we have won!!
Chill!!!'"
The point I'm trying to make is that if people are genuinally concerned about refereeing standards, then they should mention decisions that went against Wigan as well as Wakefield, shouldn't they?
For example, there was a clear forward pass leading upto one of your first half tries too, that like us, was picked up by the commentary...But nobody has mentions it in this thread.
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"The point I'm trying to make is that if people are genuinally concerned about refereeing standards, then they should mention decisions that went against Wigan as well as Wakefield, shouldn't they?
For example, there was a clear forward pass leading upto one of your first half tries too, that like us, was picked up by the commentary...But nobody has mentions it in this thread.'"
Its a Wakefield forum thats why .. don't worry about it and enjoy yer bloody win !!!!
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"The point I'm trying to make is that if people are genuinally concerned about refereeing standards, then they should mention decisions that went against Wigan as well as Wakefield, shouldn't they?
For example, there was a clear forward pass leading upto one of your first half tries too, that like us, was picked up by the commentary...But nobody has mentions it in this thread.'"
Read my post alex
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"The point I'm trying to make is that if people are genuinally concerned about refereeing standards, then they should mention decisions that went against Wigan as well as Wakefield, shouldn't they?
For example, there was a clear forward pass leading upto one of your first half tries too, that like us, was picked up by the commentary...But nobody has mentions it in this thread.'"
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think the one that we got away with was the 1st no try when Grix lost the ball for my money
apart from the forward pass in the 2nd half the ref had a good game'"
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Wigans 1st try was well forwards, and momentum couldn’t be sited, he also pinged Peterson in the 2nd half, when he wasn’t actually in touch, yet missed one when he was – very poor, but, they fitted in nicely with our performance
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| Tomkins cited [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/09/05/11/RUGBYL_Disciplinary.html[/url
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"The point I'm trying to make is that if people are genuinally concerned about refereeing standards, then they should mention decisions that went against Wigan as well as Wakefield, shouldn't they?
For example, there was a clear forward pass leading upto one of your first half tries too, that like us, was picked up by the commentary...But nobody has mentions it in this thread.'"
Of course they should but you'll always get a different view/version form board to board and we can all be blind at times.
Just go on the Wigan board and read some of the blinlered guff on there mate, thats the way it is.
Anyway "what forward pass" i never saw it
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"Tomkins cited [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/09/05/11/RUGBYL_Disciplinary.html[/url'" and if he gets a ban it will go to show that we have been hard done by in the game, I can get over the hock forearm but this has touched a raw nerve absolutely shocking what he did never mind saying he didn't do on purpose, this could of been nasty
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| Quote ="snowie"and if he gets a ban it will go to show that we have been hard done by in the game, I can get over the hock forearm but this has touched a raw nerve
absolutely shocking what he did never mind saying he didn't do on purpose, this could of been nasty'"
It sure could have, Scully moved his head just in time.
Suprised Scully did not knock 10 shades out of the little so and so
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| Quote ="adam9641"It sure could have, Scully moved his head just in time.
Suprised Scully did not knock 10 shades out of the little so and so
'" he should of, never mind size he came over as a spoilt brat and should of been put down a peg or two I think latu still had him in mind at the end
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| Quote ="snowie"he should of, never mind size he came over as a spoilt brat and should of been put down a peg or two
I think latu still had him in mind at the end'"
Agreed, he would have only got what he deserved.
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| The RFL really do despair me at times, they really do. With Tomkins getting a fine for demonstrating his karate technique on Sculthorpe, he's gonna think that behaviour is as acceptable is Gareth Hock punching a defending player rather than fending off...
Oh wait, he plays for w*g*n, simple enough reason/excuse/cop-out...
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| All this he plays for Wigan if it was us e'd have been hung drawn and quartered is bull. We've had players up before th beak this season who havehad warning letters etc. If he'd have caught scully fair do's he'd have been banned. He didn't and has been warned and fined, fair cop for me. I'm sure his coach will have a word with him about it and I doubt you'll see him do it again, therefore, lesson learnt. If he carries on doing this then thats where the problem is. Basically it was a young enthusiastic player going a little too far, nothing more nothing less. Get a grip people.
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| AS I said on the VT, Scully to be banned for two games for illegal use of the face. How dare we criticise Wigan's new golden boy.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"All this he plays for Wigan if it was us e'd have been hung drawn and quartered is bull. We've had players up before th beak this season who havehad warning letters etc. If he'd have caught scully fair do's he'd have been banned. He didn't and has been warned and fined, fair cop for me. I'm sure his coach will have a word with him about it and I doubt you'll see him do it again, therefore, lesson learnt. If he carries on doing this then thats where the problem is. Basically it was a young enthusiastic player going a little too far, nothing more nothing less. Get a grip people.'"
Correct. Also it was the first time he has got done for anything as well, it's not like they where going to ban him on his first occasion! He was fined £300 which i imagine is quite a lot to him (unless Wigan pay it) if it happens again he will get a ban.
If Kyle Bibb had done the same, should he be banned?
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| Its not just here.
I have just seen one of the worst decisions in my life in the Souths v Bulldogs game. Unbelievable!
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