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| Quote ="Bullseye"It’s a sad say when you bring in segregation. The majority of fans can and do behave themselves. Why should the majority suffer because of a few idiots who can’t?
TBH fans should be able to stand/sit where they like and not be afraid they’ll get a kicking. 99/100 if you’re not acting like a dick you’ll be fine. I’ve stood in the sounthstand many times (I prefer the view from the sideline) and never once felt threatened despite being an away fan.
The answers for me would be the following, for games against teams where there has been trouble do the following:
1. Refuse entry to anyone who looks worse for wear with drink.
2. Do more bag searches for things like illicit cans, bottles, flares and smoke bombs – any found will be confiscated – obvs flasks don’t apply!
3. Have more stewards on duty in the ground and have more proper rozzers on hand. Anyone chucked out for being in trouble gets a season long ban. Anyone arrested and convicted is banned for good.'"
The irony is that we have these strict checks at Belle Vue, and we have constant complaints about it.
The way some of the Wakefield fans have behaved recently, I'd rather be segergated and I'd rather have a large security level.
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| Quote ="John Kear"Timing of the smoke bombs (not flares, jesus christ) was poor. But the reaction has been blown way out of proportion. To ban the young lads from the sport 'worldwide' is pathetic! A bit of smoke burnt for around 10 seconds and didn't cause anyone any bother. No harm done.
I can't believe that some wakefield 'fans' are on here to have a whinge rather than celebrate a derby win!'"
I guess that you weren't there then were you with you saying the smoke burnt for 10 seconds. The fools should be banned from any ground for as long as it takes and maybe they'll realise how pathetic they have been.
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| Quote ="John Kear"Timing of the smoke bombs (not flares, jesus christ) was poor. But the reaction has been blown way out of proportion. To ban the young lads from the sport 'worldwide' is pathetic! A bit of smoke burnt for around 10 seconds and didn't cause anyone any bother. No harm done.
I can't believe that some wakefield 'fans' are on here to have a whinge rather than celebrate a derby win!'"
Are you for real ?
If it was "just a bit of fun" maybe you could point out the people involved and ask them to come forward.
Certainly when the Wakefield Chairman came into the crowd looking for the perpetrators, he didn't seem very amused.
As I say, point out the people involved and the rest of us can get back to enjoying the game
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| Quote ="John Kear"Timing of the smoke bombs (not flares, jesus christ) was poor. But the reaction has been blown way out of proportion. To ban the young lads from the sport 'worldwide' is pathetic! A bit of smoke burnt for around 10 seconds and didn't cause anyone any bother. No harm done.
I can't believe that some wakefield 'fans' are on here to have a whinge rather than celebrate a derby win!'"
But it had the potential to harm people, especially those with asthma. Are you one of the brain dead morons who set them off? That type of behaviour belongs in football, not Rugby. Ban them for life.
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| Quote ="John Kear"Timing of the smoke bombs (not flares, jesus christ) was poor. But the reaction has been blown way out of proportion. To ban the young lads from the sport 'worldwide' is pathetic! A bit of smoke burnt for around 10 seconds and didn't cause anyone any bother. No harm done.
I can't believe that some wakefield 'fans' are on here to have a whinge rather than celebrate a derby win!'"
Maybe you should get in touch with MC and tell him how no harm was done. Maybe you could chip in with help paying
the fine we will probably get too while you are at it.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Are you for real ?
If it was "just a bit of fun" maybe you could point out the people involved and ask them to come forward.
Certainly when the Wakefield Chairman came into the crowd looking for the perpetrators, he didn't seem very amused.
As I say, point out the people involved and the rest of us can get back to enjoying the game'"
Couldn't be more serious?
And you quote "just a bit of fun" but i don't recall saying that??? Point is that I enjoyed the game and a smoke bomb isn't going to change that fact.
If your sad enough to let it ruin a great day yesterday then I feel for you I truly do.
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| Quote ="Willzay"But it had the potential to harm people, especially those with asthma. Are you one of the brain dead morons who set them off? That type of behaviour belongs in football, not Rugby. Ban them for life.'"
As an asthma sufferer myself i can say barely had potential to harm, its not like it was an enclosed area but i do see your point. And nope but they were trying to create an atmosphere, the fact that you'd like to see some young lads banned for life suggests your the brain dead moron here.
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| Quote ="John Kear"Couldn't be more serious?
And you quote "just a bit of fun" but i don't recall saying that??? Point is that I enjoyed the game and a smoke bomb isn't going to change that fact.
If your sad enough to let it ruin a great day yesterday then I feel for you I truly do.'"
A 20k fine for the club will ruin what was a superb comeback and a fantastic win at Cas.
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| Quote ="John Kear"As an asthma sufferer myself i can say barely had potential to harm, its not like it was an enclosed area but i do see your point. And nope but they were trying to create an atmosphere, the fact that you'd like to see some young lads banned for life suggests your the brain dead moron here.'"
No, I want to see some hooligans with complete disregard for other members of the crowd to be banned for life.
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| Quote ="John Kear"As an asthma sufferer myself i can say barely had potential to harm, its not like it was an enclosed area but i do see your point. And nope but they were trying to create an atmosphere, the fact that you'd like to see some young lads banned for life suggests your the brain dead moron here.'"
So you are ok with someone setting off a smoke bomb emitting dense smoke in a crowd of 1500 packed people and then throwing it over the heads of the couple of hundred or so in front of them?
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| Quote ="PopTart"The irony is that we have these strict checks at Belle Vue, and we have constant complaints about it.
The way some of the Wakefield fans have behaved recently, I'd rather be segergated and I'd rather have a large security level.'"
Given the amount of bother you’ve had from a minority of fans I’d say you’re stuck with the checks. It’s obvious why they happen. I think the problems start when they’re used to force people to buy refreshments in the ground rather than any real safety feature. Stuff like picnics/flasks/umbrellas shouldn’t be causing any issues but I suspect they might.
As for segregation – if the checks are done and the drunks are kept out (remember it’s an offence to serve alcohol to someone who is drunk) then there should be fewer problems and no need to have it.
There’s a chance we’ll be playing you lot at the end of the season (though not guaranteed) in a really charged atmosphere. I hope any issues are sorted by then.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"A 20k fine for the club will ruin what was a superb comeback and a fantastic win at Cas.
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So if a orange smoke bomb is thrown on the pitch at Belle Vue when cas come will they get a 20k fine? It's all been blown out of preportion happens every match at the football. Nobody was hurt not like the fighting after the match which doesn't get much of a mention of cas been fined.
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| Quote ="John Kear"Couldn't be more serious?
And you quote "just a bit of fun" but i don't recall saying that??? Point is that I enjoyed the game and a smoke bomb isn't going to change that fact.
If your sad enough to let it ruin a great day yesterday then I feel for you I truly do.'"
Sorry but the science of it is irrelevant - I happen to get your point - but the facts are that these items are banned in every ground in every sport in this country, and that is the bottom line. Be that stupid and you pay the price, it's how law and order works!
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| Quote ="Smew"So you are ok with someone setting off a smoke bomb emitting dense smoke in a crowd of 1500 packed people and then throwing it over the heads of the couple of hundred or so in front of them?'"
Yeah i was there it was fine, not impressed with it been thrown other peoples heads tbh but i'm not gonna whine like a bitch and let it ruin yesterday for me.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"So if a orange smoke bomb is thrown on the pitch at Belle Vue when cas come will they get a 20k fine? It's all been blown out of preportion happens every match at the football. Nobody was hurt not like the fighting after the match which doesn't get much of a mention of cas been fined.'"
Not in the UK they don't. Yes it happens but the offenders are usually caught and ejected.
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| Quote ="John Kear"Yeah i was there it was fine, not impressed with it been thrown other peoples heads tbh but i'm not gonna whine like a bitch and let it ruin yesterday for me.'"
Sorry mate, but I'm gonna whine until the idiots in our crowd get it - stop dicking about and support the team.
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| The actions of a few wether that be fighting or flares should not over shadow the excellent support both teams brought to the match and more importantly the excellent game we were lucky enough to witness
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| Quote ="John Kear"Yeah i was there it was fine, not impressed with it been thrown other peoples heads tbh but i'm not gonna whine like a bitch and let it ruin yesterday for me.'"
I don't think anyone is letting it spoil their day.
I'm still smiling and I haven't had chance to talk to my best mate (who is a long time Cas fan) so I have an entertaining phone call ahead.
But the fact remains, some people who don't know how to behave in public spoil the atmosphere for others.
It doesn't take much to put people off attending sporting events so any crowd disturbance is not preferred. The trouble outside was not good and they should be banned too but outside the ground it is more for the police than the club. Inside, it's all on the club.
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| Put forum on to read about match and met by this.
Idiots!Was in Glassblowers before and aft.No problems . Friendly banter with Cas' fans. Stood at railway and saw nothing.Well, the flares or whatever they were.
Along Wheldon Road after and saw no sign of 'trouble'.
Remarked to my son that everyone seemed in good spirits and now I read of fighting.
Deflating.
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| If smoke bombs are prohibited isn't this more of a club issue for Cas and their security arrangements than it is for Trinity? Yes, ban individuals but surely, if there's a fine in the offing, it should be for Cas not us?
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| Quote ="Kevs Head"If smoke bombs are prohibited isn't this more of a club issue for Cas and their security arrangements than it is for Trinity? Yes, ban individuals but surely, if there's a fine in the offing, it should be for Cas not us?'"
I suppose thats a bit like blaming the Leigh club for the actions of the Widnes "fans" at last years CC semi-final.
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| Quote ="milopolly"Put forum on to read about match and met by this.
Idiots!Was in Glassblowers before and aft.No problems . Friendly banter with Cas' fans. Stood at railway and saw nothing.Well, the flares or whatever they were.
Along Wheldon Road after and saw no sign of 'trouble'.
Remarked to my son that everyone seemed in good spirits and now I read of fighting.
Deflating.'"
I shouldn't get too deflated to be honest, if you put 10,000 vicars together you'd get some sort of altercation.
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| Why? did Widnes fans throw smoke bombs on to the pitch?
Stupid comparison
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| Quote ="Kevs Head"If smoke bombs are prohibited isn't this more of a club issue for Cas and their security arrangements than it is for Trinity? Yes, ban individuals but surely, if there's a fine in the offing, it should be for Cas not us?'"
I think the game chat is all a bit subdued because we area ll so stunned.
We were playing ok but Cas were getting the points and we were dropping the ball.
It's just something we need to clean up. Shouldn't distract from what was an outstanding result for us.
The players celebrated like they'd won Super League.
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| Quote ="financialtimes"Why? did Widnes fans throw smoke bombs on to the pitch?
Stupid comparison
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No, they threw hoardings onto the field, tried invading the playing area, then kicked the mascots head around, so not a particularly stupid comparison in my opinion.
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