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| Over 30000 now died. Highest figure in Europe and second to the united states.
Its a total disgrace
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Over 30000 now died. Highest figure in Europe and second to the united states.
Its a total disgrace'"
Well it appears so but at least the UK is recording deaths in all settings and where Corona is suspected other countries are not doing that yet and it will take time for them to catch up.
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Well it appears so but at least the UK is recording deaths in all settings and where Corona is suspected other countries are not doing that yet and it will take time for them to catch up.'"
True RWB.
Also, noticed that Russia apparently have just over 1100 deaths - less than 1% of those diagnosed.... Seems rather low when you compare other countries - I'm sure that now our figures are correct and must doubt that other countries are.
However, any death from this awful virus is one too many.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Over 30000 now died. Highest figure in Europe and second to the united states.
Its a total disgrace'"
Expect that to rise to around 40k, with the amount of cases percentage wise we have around 15% of deaths so far it's horrifying
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| What I can’t get my head around is we are an island, how the hell can we have a massively higher fatality rate than an European land locked country, we must have got it wrong big style somewhere along the line.
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| It is a disgrace Lampyboy, so why not stop buying from China. They are the disgrace that caused it. I'm sure Corbyn and Abbott would have been sensational in response of the crisis. It's not perfect but at least Donald Trump isn't involved.
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Well it appears so but at least the UK is recording deaths in all settings and where Corona is suspected other countries are not doing that yet and it will take time for them to catch up.'"
I believe Italy, Germany and France have always included deaths outside hospitals not sure about Spain. It is possible to say that either way we should not be in this position number wise especially for those families impacted by the handling of the pandemic.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I believe Italy, Germany and France have always included deaths outside hospitals not sure about Spain. It is possible to say that either way we should not be in this position number wise especially for those families impacted by the handling of the pandemic.'"
Countries record deaths differently for instance Germany have recorded deaths in hospital and care homes with a positive test it appears those suspected of covid are not counted, Belgium and the UK count suspected cases I know I have personal experience. France counts deaths in Hospital and care homes like Germany. Italy and Spain are different again. The mortality rate based on population will be different again. It's only when death rates can be measured based on previous death rates will true stats come out.
At the moment looking at different countries deaths is measuring apples and pairs looking at numbers is flawed so early into this pandemic.
People criticing the Govt didn't stay away from sporting events when other countries were locked down. Now people cannot stay in if a coffee or fried chicken is available!
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| And people are hoping that the “lockdown” gets lifted next week. Jesus Christ.
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| ITS NOT A LOCK DOWN
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| Quote ="lampyboy"ITS NOT A LOCK DOWN'"
AND YOUR POINT IS WHAT EXACTLY?
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| Its simple little lad ITS NOT A LOCK DOWN .
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Its simple little lad ITS NOT A LOCK DOWN .'"
I know it’s not a lockdown that’s why I put “lockdown”
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Its simple little lad ITS NOT A LOCK DOWN .'"
Cracking response, and an insult thrown in as well
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Its simple little lad ITS NOT A LOCK DOWN .'"
Her Majesty's government certainly call it a lockdown.
It's not total, by any means but, it is a lockdown.
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| If anyone wants to know the actual facts behind the recording methodologies of the various countries, look up Andrew Neil's twitter feed - very informative.
Highlights the differences in what is, and isn't counted and also the timeframes that various bits of info is updated.
What's clear is that very little is actually "comparable".
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| Quote ="dboy"If anyone wants to know the actual facts behind the recording methodologies of the various countries, look up Andrew Neil's twitter feed - very informative.
Highlights the differences in what is, and isn't counted and also the timeframes that various bits of info is updated.
What's clear is that very little is actually "comparable".'"
Also, I have mentioned previously, Belgium actually has - unfortunately - the highest mortality rate from this awful virus.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Her Majesty's government certainly call it a lockdown.
It's not total, by any means but, it is a lockdown.'"
No it isn’t. It’s still “social distancing”.
And Boris is already looking to ease the already lax “restrictions” as well as reducing furlough pay. So expect to see a spike in more unnecessary deaths due to the Tories greed.
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| Quote ="Willzay"No it isn’t. It’s still “social distancing”.
And Boris is already looking to ease the already lax “restrictions” as well as reducing furlough pay. So expect to see a spike in more unnecessary deaths due to the Tories greed.'"
The lockdown is only as lax as individuals make it. How about the unnecessary deaths due to peoples stupidity.
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| Quote ="Willzay"No it isn’t. It’s still “social distancing”.
And Boris is already looking to ease the already lax “restrictions” as well as reducing furlough pay. So expect to see a spike in more unnecessary deaths due to the Tories greed.'"
How do you police a stricter 'lockdown' though? Did you see the pics the other day of the 'plane full of passengers, commercial flights are still happening, albeit on a very limited basis, as are bus, trains etc. Are you suggesting a curfew, can that be policed? Are you suggesting every single person's shopping checked, then non essential items put back on the shelf? What is essential food? Some people have medical conditions that require a certain diet, would they have to prove this to someone in a supermarket? Where does the manpower come from? As the mantra has been, stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives, they are asking people to do this, not telling, because realistically they simply can't control 60 million peoples daily movements can they.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"The lockdown is only as lax as individuals make it. How about the unnecessary deaths due to peoples stupidity.'"
That's very true and you make a good point, but......what about the 'unnecessary' deaths of people who followed the stay at home message and didn't seek medical help at a hospital and sadly died as a result? Gps are apparently crying out for people to contact them and the NHS generally for non covid conditions?! Care homes are basically breeding grounds for bacteria and germs, I know because my partner used to work in one, why weren't some of those residents transferred to a nightingale hospital within their locality, then maybe some more lives could have been saved??
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| Quote ="Willzay"No it isn’t. It’s still “social distancing”.
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Tories greed ? You mean reduction in spending tax payers money, that will eventually have to paid back ?
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| Quote ="Willzay"No it isn’t. It’s still “social distancing”.
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Wow just wow what a political statement so whats the options then?
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| FFS am I going to have to shut this one too? It really isn't needed.
Over 30,000 people have died in this country and you are arguing whether we should call it a lockdown or social distancing. Get a grip.
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