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| I'll be glad when this season is over and we can start to build for next, assuming we're gonna get some measure of normality.
The idea that we've had a decent undisrupted run at anything lately and that CC ought to go is absurd, but pretty typical of the misogynistic miserable attitude half this forum only live for to display.
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| Hopefully some overseas wages will go at seasons end, some youth may have come good and free some cash for a scrum half/ organiser with brain and boot.
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| Quote ="Manuel"Hopefully some overseas wages will go at seasons end, some youth may have come good and free some cash for a scrum half/ organiser with brain and boot.'"
You could have the finest ingredients in the world, but if you've got a poor chef, you're never going to get a michelin star meal
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| Quote ="Upanunder"I'll be glad when this season is over and we can start to build for next, assuming we're gonna get some measure of normality.
The idea that we've had a decent undisrupted run at anything lately and that CC ought to go is absurd, but pretty typical of the =#FF0000misogynistic miserable attitude half this forum only live for to display.'"
Er !!!! " =#FF0000Misogyny" happens to be defined as =#FF0000"The hatred of women and girls", Upanunder. What the heck as that got to do with CC????
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| Quote ="Redscat"Er !!!! "=#FF0000Misogyny" happens to be defined as =#FF0000"The hatred of women and girls", Upanunder. What the heck as that got to do with CC????
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Perhaps he means masochistic?
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| Quote ="Mick Amos 9 WTW"Firstly, I absolutely get the frustration with results and performances. They don't look pretty. Fans rightly have questioned this. (Not the grudge brigade, they'll always want misery). Genuine fans who are frustrated with where we are at, at the minute. I haven't really said anything about Chezzy as like Michael both shouldn't be untouchable as regards critisicm. They're not perfect and make mistakes.
Chris is a young coach whose done some good things and some bad things. We've had great success in respect of what we're used to. Top 5 finishes etc. He is learning and always needs to look at where he can improve like players need to.
The last 18 months has been rotten to us with injuries and COVID and at times soul destroying. As a coach it must be horrendous to work with. I've absolute empathy.
I've looked on social media at many, many different opinions and I wonder which one Chezzy should chose? Not digging the fans, it's just factual to say I've seen so much variation in team selection, how we should play, what we should do etc. Who is right?
"Last kick options are killing us and they're starting their sets on the 30", "Forwards aren't creating the platform", "Wrong half backs", "Wrong SR selection", "Wrong Captain", "Wrong structure", etc etc.
My post isn't saying Chezzy shouldn't have critics, it's just not as simple as we as fans make it out to be sometimes.
Anyway I hope we get back to normal soon, I felt that buzz again last night! Let's hope that continues.'"
Brilliant post mate. 100% sensible and measured. Some utter hysteria on here. An apparent complete amnesia for the shocking injury situation we suffered last season. The whole game is in a state of flux. We need to survive as a club. We need to take a deep breath and realise this is not a normal situation. It's not great to see us with our backs to the wall. But we need to support not Knock at this time in my view.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Walker, Johnstone, Miller, Brough, Fifita, Wood, Arona, Ashurst, Kirmond, Batchelor, Arundel, Gigot and Kay. Granted Brough and Kirmond are practically retired but we had quite a large number of absentees, be it injured, Covid related or not selected.'"
Don't go confusing the hysterics with facts
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| Quote ="upthecats"We’ve gone backwards because in his first two seasons we were very lucky with injuries and the teams with much more financial power than us who we finished above have been able to go out and spend big money and sign top quality players we can’t afford. On the whole in his time I think Chester has had more successes than failures in his signings, especially when you take into account the budget he has to work with...'"
Yep
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"You say he deserves the chance to see out this farce of a season... Why does he deserve that chance? What have you seen in the last 5/10/15/20/25 games which warrants that chance? Injuries aren't an excuse, every club has them. Covid isn't an excuse, every club has had to deal with it.
We had our worst season under Chester last year and were within minutes of being relegated, and have gone backwards both on the pitch and with recruitment.
Maybe he needs to start listening to the fans that want the team to progress instead of listening to the ones who are happy for the club to sleep walk into relegation and likely administration'"
"This farce of a season"
Don't know if you noticed but this thing called Covid 19 occurred. Kinda wiped all
Sports out..threatens the existence of rugby league as a sport and Wakefield trinity as a club. Think a dose of reality is required. And "last year" we had a shocking injury situation. Impossible to handle and hats off to all for keeping us up. As for fans who accept mediocrity. No we don't. , But we do accept reality and we do SUPPORT our club
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| Quote ="Mick Amos 9 WTW"I never said all fans who aren't happy are grudge fans. Far from it!! There are grudge fans. Not many, but there certainly are some! Also if genuine folk want a change in coach, it doesn't fuss me. I get it. In every sport, some fans want change, some fans dont. We're no different.
One of my points was the past 18 months has been incredibly difficult for the club and it's been extremely trying for Chezzy and the coaches and I've empathy with that.
But you've cleared it up for me if I was in any doubt, you want a new coach
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Grudge fans a) bit of a contradiction in terms
B) wish we had 12000 of them that turned up and paid their money
As regards last couple years where it all seemed to go wrong was the Huddersfield away game lacking 6-7 first teamers (or 11 if you use the same method as some on here ! ) we thumped a much fancied Huddersfield team. After that we just never seemed to have shown the same team spirit - or maybe it coincided with Dave starting his fitness injury woes.
I think what we all find frustrating is that actually even with injuries we have a better team on paper than some that comprised entirely of kids loaners etc who still managed a better win average .
In current squad we have rookie of year 2017 in max jowitt, 3 players that have been in dream team. In virtually every position bar scrum half we have at least two experienced players with super league reputation
Potentially in next couple weeks Available
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Bjb Johnston Kay
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Hampshire
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Props battye coppi fifita green tanginoa navarette Tangata
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Second row ashurst tanginoa crowther batchelor Kirmond
Lf arona westerman
And that’s excluding gwaze aydin bailey Croft
Tbh if he can’t get a win out of these players
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| We were not good prior to the Covid break but whatever happened during this time has not only caused the performances to worsen but the team spirit to deteriorate. It appears we are no longer comfortable as a team and are now just individuals. The furlough may have saved the club but not done much for the team.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"We had 5 players missing yesterday, I could argue it was 4, you might argue 6 but either way it’s not an excuse for the dross we’re getting served'"
Wasn’t dross though was it. We have played badly but not on Friday. You can’t have it both ways. If the performances are improving then surely the direction is positive. If they were the same or were getting worse you’d have a point.
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| Quote ="vastman"Wasn’t dross though was it. We have played badly but not on Friday. You can’t have it both ways. If the performances are improving then surely the direction is positive. If they were the same or were getting worse you’d have a point.'"
Did Hull play at the same standard as Catalans or Warrington?
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"Did Hull play at the same standard as Catalans or Warrington?'"
Why dont you tell us seeing as you believe you are the Oracle...
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Why dont you tell us seeing as you believe you are the Oracle...'"
It's not a tricky question, but I guess you've figured out that by admitting that Hull didn't play as at the same standard as Catalans, that means that there might not have been the proclaimed improvement in Trinity's performance, but just that they appeared to play better because they faced a weaker opposition.
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"It's not a tricky question, but I guess you've figured out that by admitting that Hull didn't play as at the same standard as Catalans, that means that there might not have been the proclaimed improvement in Trinity's performance, but just that they appeared to play better because they faced a weaker opposition.'"
You could just as easily say our improved enthusiasm and defense caused Hull not to play as well.
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| Quote ="vastman"Wasn’t dross though was it. We have played badly but not on Friday. You can’t have it both ways. If the performances are improving then surely the direction is positive. If they were the same or were getting worse you’d have a point.'"
As I’ve said in another post Hull FC haven’t been able to buy a win apart from the victory over the Giants Academy team. Against us they had as many youngsters in the team as us maybe more and they’re dealing with Covid disruption like everyone else. Add into the mix they’ve got an interim coach in charge having sacked Redford just prior to lockdown.
Yet we still lost!
I don’t want anything both ways, find me where I’ve said anything to suggest different!
Efforts one thing, improved performance is another. The very least we should expect is effort!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"As I’ve said in another post Hull FC haven’t been able to buy a win apart from the victory over the Giants Academy team. !'"
I don't know how much they paid for the win against Cas yesterday but I enjoyed it whatever the cost.
Some fickle Cas fans calling for Powell's head now.
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| What the Chester outers on here have to understand regarding the Hull match, is outside your little bubbles Hull were expected to win the match...every bookmaker in the land had them down as strong favourites at prices varying from 2/5 to 1/3...
We were NOT favourites to win that match. If we had been expected by all the neutrals to win, like Hull were, then maybe there would be more justification in calling it a poor effort/result...
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| Quote ="upthecats"What the Chester outers on here have to understand regarding the Hull match, is outside your little bubbles Hull were expected to win the match...every bookmaker in the land had them down as strong favourites at prices varying from 2/5 to 1/3...
We were NOT favourites to win that match. If we had been expected by all the neutrals to win, like Hull were, then maybe there would be more justification in calling it a poor effort/result...'"
If only my opinion were solely based on the Hull match eh!
I fully understand all that I need to, thanks
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"I don't know how much they paid for the win against Cas yesterday but I enjoyed it whatever the cost.
[uSome fickle Cas [/ufans calling for Powell's head now.'"
I’d say spoilt. Do they want to go back to how they were under Matterson and Millward? (I certainly do).
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| Quote ="PopTart"You could just as easily say our improved enthusiasm and defense caused Hull not to play as well.'"
Where was the improved enthusiasm and defence today?
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| There’s only trinity that would put up with these perfetic performances
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| Quote ="upthecats"What the Chester outers on here have to understand regarding the Hull match, is outside your little bubbles Hull were expected to win the match...every bookmaker in the land had them down as strong favourites at prices varying from 2/5 to 1/3...
We were NOT favourites to win that match. If we had been expected by all the neutrals to win, like Hull were, then maybe there would be more justification in calling it a poor effort/result...'"
So it's not Chester's fault then but the bookies,If all the bookmakers in the land had Hull down as strong favourites at a price of 2/5 to1/3 well perhaps Chester ought to stop the players from looking at the bookies odds then, stop them getting inside they're heads
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