And its my impression that some go overboard after one decent win and then put up with numerous heavy defeats on the trot with blind optimism that Kear will sort it out. I have been very vocal about Kear and the performances over the last few months, if the performances had improved I would have given some credit but they haven't (I would still want him out on the basis that he wanted to leave - but would have given credit where it was due).

If Cooke gets a new contract will you still believe Kear is the man for the job?

I would like some top drawer signings but as I said on another thread, I would settle for some players who will bring some heart and passion and basic RL skills wouls be an improvement on some of the shower we have playing at the moment.

An absolute must is a controlling half back.

I think the performances since Kear and the Catalans debacle say all that needs to be said about his influence over the dressing room. We should have been looking for a way to get rid - instead it appears we have let him sign up players for next season - meaning that even if we did ultimately decide to call time on his tenure, any new coach would be stuck with a squad they didn't choose and very little if any time/options to make changes. Madness.

The team needs new blood and while they don't have to be world-beaters they do have to be of the requisite quality to perform in superleague. I'm not convinced that some are but whether they make it is partly down to the coaching they receive. I don't feel our current set up have the modern techniques and technical knowhow to get the best out of our players week in week out.

I agree, the teamwork aspect just isn't there anymore. So it looks like motivation is also an issue now. We know we are getting a new captain. We need new leadership above him to bring fresh ideas and a change of direction because if we don't get 100% out of players that are of a lesser standard to other teams then next year could be very damaging.

we cannot sign anyone top drawer. we have NOTHING to offer new players.

one yr in sl before we are thrown out?

Not attractive.

The players are a total disgrace and should be ashamed to be paid considering ther rubbish performances this season. total bunch of waste of space money grabbers, and the jopke of a coach who defends the awful performances. time to get rid of everyone, and plan for Championship rugby in 2012..

We deserve that, and belong there in all reality

I didn't go knowing full well what would happen, think I predicted it about 4 weeks ago.

20 odd quid well saved by the sound of it.

I was a blind optomist and went. Wasted a precious afternoon and roughly 35 quid.

Very much doubt I shall be going to Salford, I have had enough of wasted money and time.

I would have to doubt his reasoning with that decision.

The rot has really set in now. As I mentioned last week, there was no way I could get any interest in going yesterday. I didn't even check the teletext for the score till after 8pm!
No surprise to see the headlines reporting a Bulls win, which says it all really.
Season ended at half past 5 last Sunday.
Roll on September for good news on the ground.

I wouldn't really say that problem is the players ability, yes we are lacking in some departments i.e a controlling half back to settle us down, but atm it is quite clear the player have given up long ago and are totally lost with regards to confidence.

I hope a nice pre season and some challenging friendlies help them to bond together again and imo, kear should stay, providing he sorts his head out in the off season, for me the alternatives to kear i.e poching who has been touted as the new coach, would be a silly choice. Expecting someone like Poching to come and sort all our problems out is absurd.

Also with regards to signings already roumoured for next season, Wheeldon, Penny, JJ Parker i am quite pleased with these so far, none of these signings are approaching the end of the career so it will bring some new enthusiasm.

Looking at the squad and the coaches over their careers and not just the this season i think we can sort ourselves out and enjoy a successful season next year.

But at least we rushed to form a scrum and pack down whenever one was awarded knowing we were fighting against the clock.



Oh no, wait a minute, that didn't happen either.

Youi're wrong there Fordy, late on in the game a scrum was awarded and WT players ran to form the scrum. However only 5 of our players formed the 'pack' and so he didn't stop the clock!

True



On another note am i the only one getting fed up with refs, blowing up scrums and re-packing them for all sorts of reasons, just penalise teams that don't do the simple task right first time. Must have happend 8 times yesterday.

And while i'm having a moan, 1 conversion did not go over yesterday but got awarded all the same. Bradford fans stood behind the posts could not believe it.

Absolutely right on both there. Couldn't believe the goal kick. I was in line and it did not go throught the posts.

As for the scrum, they packed in with one less in the game and the ref stopped play and told them what to do. It's not his job to coach, it's his job to penalise.
AND, joining in on your moan, I hate the rule about packing down to stop the clock. It's only half a rule. If you want to stop the clock you should be ready to play. If the scrum half packs down he should stay there, otherwise the clock is not stopped.
Best thing the other team could do is when the team rush to pack down, they do the same and tehn start playing. It'll soon get some spaces on the field with the fat prop still sat out in the centres from the scrum!

Few. Glad I got that of my chest

Bloomers suggested yesterday that we were playing infringement bingo!

I admire you loyalty TRB, but i expected more for my £400 family season ticket, i don't mind getting beat by a better side, but it's the manner of the defeat, and the "bury your head in the sand and it might go away" attitude the the Club seems to have adopted in the past 3/4 month's, well on the plus side it's saved me £400 on a season ticket......

No-ones head is buried in anything. We have a few issues which need to be addressed - and hopefully will be - but I can tell you that the BoD are as disappointed with the lack of application as anyone.

Mid-season is a difficult time to change things around, as seen following the 3 departures, so we are reliant on what we can do between now and February. We are currently hampered by our situation with BV, although this is starting to get clearer and, all being well, we will have a much brighter outlook in a few weeks time and this may even effect the recruitment for next season.

As it is, I would gladly follow the side we have now - if they got their fingers out, but there are too many players under-performing right now.

As you are on here posting, I imagine that you are a supporter of the club and, on that basis I would suggest that you will be at the games next season and that you should do yourself a favour and take advantage of the early deal whilst you can and save a few quid. You knowww you want to!

I am a supporter of WTW that's why i spent nearly £400 on a family ticket last year, i would glady follow a side that give's 100% week in week out even in defeat, i can handle that, but our demina, body language, and attitude does not impress me, i remember waiting 5 hours in a car park in Wrexham and the players got a standing ovation when they got off the bus and we hammered Crusaders, and i would wait 5 hours every week if we gave the same commitment, our team has not changed since then ???, i understand that confidence is a massive factor, but so is Attitude, and ours is not good at the mo, as for renewing my season ticket i'll take a rain check...


As for Newmarket fingers crossed, but unfortunatly this will still not guarantee our SL status even if we get it, the weakest will still bow out, our best hope in my opinion is Crusaders or Quins go bust.

But that's the point - new season = new attitude. Things WILL be different!

TRB i admire your loyalty and wish you were wearing the No 6/7 shirt i would gladly stump up right now, but that old chestnut about things changing get's a bit matanous after 30 years, i remember Ted and Toppo arguing years and years ago when Toppo wanted to invest in the club and things still appear to be the same, maybe you should be on the board TRB and give me a free season ticket....lol...

I'm not wealthy enough for that!

The Toppo thing is a proper red-herring. I was at a meeting with Toppo and the so-called investors - they had no money either!

Genuine question - does that include Mr Kear, who is both on the BoD and directly responsible for the lack of application? Also, if they're as disappointed as anyone, what are they doing about it?

I don't know all the details - that would be wrong - but I know that they are fans, just as we are. Only they have reality to deal with and not just hypotheses!

You're right there. Why do they bother? It doesn't make any difference at all.



It certainly seemed to go wide from my vantage point on halfway too. The fans around me were surprised they gave it, but touch judges just seem to be there for ornamation puposes.

the title of thread is right but should be aimed at the ref on we had on sunday,
after watching bootsnall and seeing three tries from bradford all three when slowed down showed them to be forward passes,

it just leaves me seething that we have to put up with this low standard of reffing, as it is we was still not good enough

Just watched it myself and have to agree; two were definitely forward and the one that resulted in the Menzies try was borderline.