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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"The frustrating thing is that now - having dared to watch it - our stats in the 1st half [iattacking wise[/i were excellent!
......Until we got into their 10....
Reminded me of Dirty Leeds away tbh....
Oh for someone like a Pauli Pauli or Big Dave close to the line.....
I'm pretty sure we'd have score a few tries with someone of their size....
And that would have made the team confidence soar....
But then cue to abject defending......
"After you Claude" as the Hull players jogged over the try line........
Made a note in my diary - simply says Bo**ocks.'"
We had Lineham shoot off his wing to tackle Mr Invisible, leaving a stroll in and then 2 tries where players were literally looking at each other, expecting someone else to make a tackle. You tackle him, no, you tackle him and then. Oops they've scored (again)
Lineham is pretty good going forward but, he doesn't have enough desire to defend, just what was he doing for their first try.
He saw something or somebody that wasn't there, it was bizarre.
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| I have to say in Lineham's defense, this was by far his best game for Wakefield.
They targeted him with high balls and he took them all under pressure. There was one attack where he had 3 coming at him at speed and he snuffed it out, with help from Dagger covering.
Dagger's defense kept us in the game for a long time. Much as I like Max, we'd have been 18 nil down without Dagger in the first half.
You can probably say that about a lot of the team for 90% of the game. They just seem to switch off periodically. I honestly don't get it. We attack their line. Make a small error but then sit there crying about it as they storm up field. It's not a one off, it's a consistent thing. No idea why.
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| What I don’t get is our ‘attack’ and game management.
Last night for instance we ran a kickable penalty we had when our chance of crossing their line was remote. Needless to say we fluffed that chance and 2 points we could have had.
We are no threat with ball in hand.
Gaskell and Langi are surely the slowest centres in SL and the Smitg/Lino partnership isn’t good enough.
Dagger pulled off some great tackles but he isn’t the threat in attack that Jowitt is.
All told, roll on September and put us out of our misery.
I can’t watch much more of that rubbish.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"We had =#FF0000Lineham shoot off his wing to tackle Mr Invisible, leaving a stroll in and then 2 tries where players were literally looking at each other, expecting someone else to make a tackle. You tackle him, no, you tackle him and then. Oops they've scored (again)
Lineham is pretty good going forward but, he doesn't have enough desire to defend, just what was he doing for their first try.
He saw something or somebody that wasn't there, it was bizarre.'"
To be fair wrencat, I saw that player that he was looking to tackle too....
Mind you, I'd had a few by that point....
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| Quote ="Manuel"High fives and laughter on the balcony, high fives etc in the changing rooms, meanwhile, Tony Smith was drilling his instructions into his team.
Embarrassing and an insult to the word amateur. We’ve seen some crap down the years but this takes the biscuit ( or pie and peas).'"
Yes I noticed the difference in the changing rooms on Sky TV. I hope some of the board do aswell. Pictures such those paint a thousand words about the difference in an experienced SL coach and an inexperienced one.
As a result Trinity start second half sluggish and allowing runs from dummy half whereas Hull are all fired up.
Did Proctor just play first 20 mins then just last 10 mins of match?
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Yes I noticed the difference in the changing rooms on Sky TV. I hope some of the board do aswell. Pictures such those paint a thousand words about the difference in an experienced SL coach and an inexperienced one.
As a result Trinity start second half sluggish and allowing runs from dummy half whereas Hull are all fired up.
Did Proctor just play first 20 mins then just last 10 mins of match?'"
He just managed 10 minutes in the first half but was blowing after 5 not sure about the second.
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| so the cats out of the bag no money and championship bound.So no change of coach or new signings. Well thanks for saving us and your legacy will be killing us. Lets hope the stand and field bring in the projected revenue so we can at least pay the loan back. Maybe the football will be the main attraction next season,because the contempt you have shown the rl fans this season serving ths crap up and expecting them blindly to keep shelling out has been disgusting.
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| I think a lot have been patient due to Mash's reputation with the club but its clear now that we are not well coached. The players absolutely deserve their share of the criticism, but for the most part I think the effort is there. Most games we defend well for long periods, and have good field position. Problem is when we are camped in an opponents 20, we don't look like scoring. No speed, no structure, rarely a decent attacking kick. Squad is obviously not up to scratch, but a decent coach gets more out of this bunch. Not the man to lead us in the championship, if we can get rid now, I would. Ford is also clearly not the answer.
Also... why on earth he still selecting Proctor? Offers nothing, barely on the pitch and when he is constantly looks injured/tired.
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| Quote ="RWB"I think a lot have been patient due to Mash's reputation with the club but its clear now that we are not well coached. The players absolutely deserve their share of the criticism, but for the most part I think the effort is there. Most games we defend well for long periods, and have good field position. Problem is when we are camped in an opponents 20, we don't look like scoring. No speed, no structure, rarely a decent attacking kick. Squad is obviously not up to scratch, but a decent coach gets more out of this bunch. Not the man to lead us in the championship, if we can get rid now, I would. Ford is also clearly not the answer.
Also... why on earth he still selecting Proctor? Offers nothing, barely on the pitch and when he is constantly looks injured/tired.'"
Totally agree, it was very similar at Cas too.
We had enough ball, in the right areas on that ay, to win 3 or 4 games but, no idea what to do.
There is no apparent structure when we are in the opposition 20.
Every player is spread across the park, with no dummy runners and nobody coming back on an angle and this assumes that we complete the attacking set, which isn't often enough.
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| I've got a season ticket but stopped going a while back.
Looking forward to a fresh start under new management (if that does actually happen) though, clearly rather be in the top league than consigned to the lower divisions.
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| Quote ="charlie"I've got a season ticket but stopped going a while back.
Looking forward to a fresh start under new management (if that does actually happen) though, clearly rather be in the top league than consigned to the lower divisions.'"
I'm with you on that Charlie.
I'm just not inspired by Carter. If we were losing but had an Accountant that was full of energy, optimism and open mindedness then you'd probably go for that and see some leadership - it's contagious I believe and maybe that's why the club is rotten. Even Uncle John Minards has gone quiet, who is an Accountant with some leadership and enthusiasm.
Carter's "my way or the highway" approach is tedious. The negativity is stifling. Criticism of the state is not allowed. Dissent is rewarded with banishment. The followers are now being told that the Championship is good, and that the Great East Stand will save us. Super League is bad, all of those fascist Chairmen who conspire against us, and those compcit at IMG. We don't need them. Let me show you this bright new beginning called the Championship. The water is warm down here.
People are beginning to believe...
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| Maybe 13 is the number Mash will fall on.
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| Quote ="Luppylad"Not gonna put a down beat on things but got told somthing tonight that my reaction was just to laugh at how stupid it was and how amutuer the club is from top to bottom currently'"
Is it about sending badly injured players to A&E instead of having adequate insurance to go private?
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| Surely those that believe him to be the messiah would expect him to heal the injured without the need for A&E.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Is it about sending badly injured players to A&E instead of having adequate insurance to go private?'"
There is no private cover that would replace A&E.
If you've broken your leg, you go to A&E.
When you need an op, you go private.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Is it about sending badly injured players to A&E instead of having adequate insurance to go private?'"
Ashurst? Doesn't seem too serious as he's expected to be conention to play next week. May be wrong but aren't insurance jobs appointments only and are unlikely to ge open at 10pm?
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Is it about sending badly injured players to A&E instead of having adequate insurance to go private?'"
All injured would players go to A&E.....
Whether they play for Wakefield Trinity or Manchester City.
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| He dislocated and broke his finger.
If it was me I'd be on my death bed for weeks but he looks like they will put it back and strap it up. And take pain killers.
But personally I think he can miss the cup game.
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"All injured would players go to A&E.....
Whether they play for Wakefield Trinity or Manchester City.'"
Can just imagine an ambulance with a player with a broken leg rocking up to the spire or Nuffield
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| Sounds rather ridiculous and drastic, but if I was Ashurst I'd take the lads to one side and tell them to ignore any "plan" ( if there was one) that they'd been instructed to work to by Mash, and instead go out and play there own "natural" game in much the way that kids do. I'm sure we'd get a more entertaining spectacle and maybe even win a game. We couldn't do any worse than 0/12.
At least in that dreadful James Webster era there was an end motive to his apparent madness ie to in effect forfeit games in order to concentrate on the final play offs, and it paid off. Can't see this season ending in a similar manner.
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| Quote ="Redscat"Sounds rather ridiculous and drastic, but if I was Ashurst I'd take the lads to one side and tell them to ignore any "plan" ( if there was one) that they'd been instructed to work to by Mash, and instead go out and play there own "natural" game in much the way that kids do. I'm sure we'd get a more entertaining spectacle and maybe even win a game. We couldn't do any worse than 0/12.
At least in that dreadful James Webster era there was an end motive to his apparent madness ie to in effect forfeit games in order to concentrate on the final play offs, and it paid off. Can't see this season ending in a similar manner.'"
Don't be stupid. No one forfeited any games.
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| Stupid? Moi?? At least I'm living in the real world PT. If you look again you will see i used the phrase "in effect". It was pretty clear at the time that Webster's main aim was to take the gamble that we would be successful in the (relegation) play offs and hence, hopefully, survive in SL and that's where his attention was focused. Subsequently our league game performances suffered. Look at the results that season. Perhaps you were on holiday at the time or elsewhere in your make believe world.
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| Quote ="Redscat"Stupid? Moi?? At least I'm living in the real world PT. If you look again you will see i used the phrase "in effect". It was pretty clear at the time that Webster's main aim was to take the gamble that we would be successful in the play offs and hence, hopefully, survive in SL and that's where his attention was focused. Subsequently our league game performances suffered. Look at the results that season. Perhaps you were on holiday at the time or elsewhere in your make believe world.'"
I was watching, same as every other season, but even though you imply you didn't mean it you still say he did it.
He was poor and should not have been head coach but he didn't throw games and neither did the players.
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| Come off it. you may think that I'm stupid, but I'm not stupid enough to state that Webster threw games, Of course he didn't, but his apparent laid back attitude to coaching and the far below par team performances during that period appeared to be acceptable and all would come good in the play offs.
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| Look on the bright side, at least you didn't pay a fortune to have a side with no pace, no decent half backs that can't score near the line and gets nilled. One thing that we do have in common is a coach with no idea, although at least yours doesn't make embarrassing excuses or call out players due to his crap recruitment!
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