I’ve met Matty and had a good conversation with him about his time on loan at dewsbury with Jordan and how good it was to see both getting their chances at first team level. He came across as a very level headed, polite young man who didn’t seem to have a nasty bone in his body so I’m afraid I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one.

You weren't at the Shudds game in question then?

Will have been but don’t recall the incident, I can only take someone on face value, which is what I tend to do with people, hence why I have a lot of differences of view on certain people.

Honestly, if you were there and was watching his post try antics it would not be easily forgot. Might be in archives somewhere.

He had just scored a try v a team who told him he wasnt good enough..how would you react. Not sure where he was brought up but he went to outwood school and when you watch shudds play he tends to do well

What do you want him to do? Be like one of those sap footballers who doesn’t celebrate scoring a goal for attention?

Youngster gets a bit carried away when he scores against local side. Not really a story here is there?

He did no celebration whatsoever in front of his own fans. He ran across to the Wakefield fans and gave an up yours. Had it been football then the fans would probably have reacted to goading of that level.
Anyway, Shudds are welcome to him. Until the subject was brought up he meant nothing to me other than a guy with chubby white legs and no respect for our fans. I wouldn't expect him to be so two faced as to want to join our team.

Personally I don't know him
But I'll probably make my judgement on how he played if he ever comes to us.

In the meantime I'm unlikely to judge a young lad on one flash point incident where he made a gesture in the general direction of a crowd of people.
He probably doesn't even remember it and if he does may even regret it.
I'm pretty sure either way it wasn't personal.

Wakefield fans are hardly charitable towards opposition players are they. Why is it such a trauma when they give us one back?

He will remember it I'm sure as it wasn't "a gesture in the general direction".

Only similar reaction I can recall was from Francis Mallony when he scored against us for Salford in that relegation decider back in 2003.

Are you thinking it was directed at you personally then if not in the general direction?
I get what you are saying and it might wind me up too but I don't think it has so heinous a crime that it should dog him forever. He celebrated in the moment.

nothing like over reacting is there, when Matty scored the try he stumbled a few yards forward and yes he was facing the Wakey fans because that's where we was all sat, why not celebrate his try I'm sure someone off the shudds board would be able to confirm it but I think it was his first try in Super league, had he gone to the side lines he might of found a few fans there, as for goading I'm sure there's plenty on here that have goaded players so surly it works both ways.

he was in the Stanley team with my lad and also played in the same school team, there never was the best of friends but he was a valued team as to he was the focus that team would play around, he never shirked his responsibility and would always lead from the front, I often thought he was reckless in his play as he never took a step back and took some big hits, I don't think he has any self preservation and would always put his body on the line, no wonder he played for England.
from those years at Stanley he's the only one to make it into Super League

as for Matty not being on Wakey radar, he was on quite a few but chose to go with Huddersfield instead, might show its not the be all and end all to travel to clubs like Wigan, Warrington, saints and I think at the time he made a very good choice

would I have Matty in my team, yes I would he the type of player we need, young, strong, and fearful

as for this discussion on players from another side who has yet to be relegated seams a bit pointless as we are not yet safe our selves

by the way you seriously need to go see a quack about your obsession with anything Huddersfield its making you look very bitter man

I was and I couldn’t care less, I think some on here are being hypocrites. Fifita does it all the time and we lap it up so what’s your problem? At least it shows the kid cares.

Let’s get back onto the thread topic. Should the final round game between the four bottom clubs be played same time same day. Wakefield v London, Huddersfield v Catalans, HKR v Salford. It used to be games involving relegation battles kicked off same time same day. I’m not sure if that matters now as scores from other matches can be seen in seconds and relayed to coaches/players during their match. I’m hopeful that our London game will be irrelevant in a good sense for the Trinity fans.

Turns out that you imagined it.

Whereas your perhaps a little obsessed? Young lads do silly things, I bet he barely remembers it and couldn't tell you why he did it, adrenalin has a funny effect on people at times.

"Unforgiving" is my middle name.

I thought it was Wollo?



I've read everyone's views on this thread and my opinion is unchanged. If English had a beef with the Wakefield club about not being taken on (conjecture) then why not direct his frustration at the club officials rather than the innocent fans?

I saw no evidence of fans giving him abuse up until that point in the game so have no understanding why he directed his gestures to the fans. There was no previous history since he was new to his career.

I think his behaviour was unprofessional, arrogant and unbecoming of what could be a model professional. There is celebrating and there is petulant behaviour, his acts were not "celebrating".

Must admit that I few years earlier a developed a dislike of Tommy Lee when he was at Huddersfield and made a shush (finger to lips gesture) after scoring against us. This was the year after he left us. I know he got some stuck from some of our fans whilst he was with us, but it was not all of us. I certainly never directed any criticism at him, I even remember congratulating him face to face after a match. I'm taking it too personally I know but his gesture was to all our fans when not all our fans gave him a hard time. But hey, that's the way the cookie crumbles.

I'm just a delicate snowflake though and expect professional behaviour from professionals. Celebrate by all means but don't antagonise or incite.

Back on topic. Massive weekend this one, Rovers have a potential winnable match which could make things a little anxious for us and we don't know what Leeds team will turn up, although they are looking a lot better now.

Am very encouraged after our performance against Rovers, but think Wigan may just edge us out. Warrington could be interesting though, I have a sneaky feeling we could turn them over, even away from home.

Exactly this.

Sorry I can't resist but:





Nah, nothing like.

Dave Fifita, Ali Lautiti, Ben Cockayne, Ollie Holmes, Rangi Chase and many many more have had two way banter with the crowd during our games.

Well we will have to beg to differ. Personally I wouldn’t bin a player especially a young one foe a silly misdemeanour, nobody died.

We did not care that Peter Fox who would kiss his Hull KR badge returned to us. What does it matter we all have selective memories when necessary.

Aren't you agreeing with each other?

Players enjoy scoring against hometown/former clubs. It’s been going on forever pretty much.

I'm not sure tbh