If you are trying to score political points, people would have unfortunately died from this virus anyway.
If you want to hold a Government to account, then I suggest that you start with the Chinese one.
Also, despite other countries having different scenarios in place at the start, they have had numerous deaths.

This isn’t about political point scoring. This is surely a moral issue. If Labour or any other party in charge were just as lackadaisical as the Tories have been, my viewpoint would be the same.

Sorry but if you think the Government is doing a good job you’ve got your head in the sand.

What the hell does that mean??

Are you suggesting the Govt are deliberately killing people off??

Spot on and once the true death rate is established through testing i.e. when we get data on how many have actually had this thing I don't think the rate of death will differ much across 1st world countries. Different countries count them differently to some degree. if you look at the test in the USA the death rate there is 46,785 from 842,624 positive tests that's from a total of 4,482,434 tests carried out a rate of around 6% based on positive tests. Our death rate is 18,151 from 134,639 our rate is currently at 13% that's twice the rate of the USA at the moment but as testing ramps up outside of the hospital environment like the US and Germany that rate will drop.

I have lost my father in law recently cause of death probable corona virus on his death certificate with a couple of other causes, he is one of the stats but we will never know if he was truly positive or not! he died in hospital by the way. In my opinion the Govt is showing transparency around this subject I am not sure others around the world are as yet!

Sorry to hear that about your father-in-law.
I think the point is that a lot of deaths are being recorded with Corona as the cause when we're not actually sure, or where people were unfortunately already at death's door an so would probably have died even without Corona.

I dislike all politicians the same so don't feel the need to try and blame one party or another. I am just truly thankful that we have an NHS that is working tirelessly to get us through this situation. I have a number of relatives who are NHS workers and I know just what effort and strain all this is taking on them and their families. I salute them and all of their co-workers.

Maybe you need to read posts before commenting.
Don't recall saying that.

...with you on this one Wayne

That statement is quite bizarre so you telling us the virus is selective now to political parties

I thought the 5G rumour was bad enough but this is just crazy

It’s not out of the realms of possibility that the Government may have been purposefully slow in “locking down” the country compared to others in order for the virus to cull the population.

Why else would they keep airports open for weeks after the virus spread to Italy with no checks or immediate self isolation?

I have also yet to see the country in official lockdown - I have not see that word used by any Government official.

The Government’s handling of this pandemic has been so tragically pathetic that it’s bordering on suspicious.

You even mention that the Govt have slowed lockdown down!






You are out to lunch.
Go and lay down in a dark room for a few weeks.
Your posts on this subject are as bad as BOJ042's are on anything else.

It took us what three weeks after Italy to “lockdown”. If that’s not being slow I don’t know what is.

It's an understanding that people will only put up with being in lockdown for so long, so delaying the start of it meant that when the peak started to hit that (most) people were prepared to adhere to the rules.
Two weeks into lockdown there was very little traffic on the roads by us, when we went out for our daily walk we could have walked down the main road without risking encountering traffic. Two weeks later and every day that I go out for a walk, or a bike ride there is more traffic back on the roads, which inevitably means more people flaunting the rules on lockdown.
Start lockdown 3 weeks earlier and just imagine how many people would now be making that decision to venture back out again. It's human nature to not want to be restrained in our activities. Ask yourself how desperate were you to get out of the house after 1 week, after 3 weeks, how desperate will you be in another 3 weeks time????

I'm not backing the Government on their decisions but I do understand them.

ITS NOT A LOCK DOWN

It's interesting that Sweden have taken a completely different approach to most of the rest of the world and their experts believe that it is we (the UK and most of the rest) that have got this wrong.
Although their death rate is a little higher, they suggest that it will actually fall over time, whereas we may have a second "spike" when restrictions begin to lift.
They do have some social distancing and advise vulnerable people to stay indoors but, they are still working, able to go out shopping or for a meal etc. Plus, they wont have decades of austerity and /or tax rises when the virus eventually is under control.
I dont know if they are right but, they certainly think they are.

Father in law last away this morning what looked like he had turned around ended up taking him in end,

please please still take this seriously we can get through this

Keep safe all

So sorry to hear of his passing Snowie

Condolences same boat for us funeral next Monday had to wait 3 weeks.

Deepest sympathies for the family snowie, especially your Mel.

Sad news Snowie and RWaB. Really sorry it turned out that way.
I feel like people are being a bit desensitised the news now but comments like yours brings it home again. It's a rel threat and we need to take care and follow the guidelines.

Condolences to Snowie and RWaB - very sad.

I came to work this morning to find that one of my team - a young lad of only 24 - had taken his own life over the w/e; I'm devastated, for him and his family and the people around him. Perhaps the emotional cost of this situation will only reveal itself in the months and years that follow - but for now, if you know someone who is emotionally fragile, maybe check that they're ok. They might not be.

Sorry to hear Snowie mate and you as well RWAB, condolences to all.

A friends mother passed away with the virus 3 weeks ago. Devastating for families left behind.

Sorry to hear your news Snowie and RWB and it must be a little more difficult with social distancing etc.
Condolences to you and your family.