Also there is no guarantee it will bring in extra fans either, as for additional post presumably you can provide a link to this manni's plans announcement, or is it just speculation like your first paragraph.

Not convinced that Belle Vue is any more inconveniently sited than Headingley, Halliwell Jones, JJB, new Saints ground, Wheldon Road, Widnes ground, Hull KR ground, KC Stadium. Of those, only Wigan and KC offer parking for your average fans.

Newmarket IS inconveniently sited. If you want to go, you've got to drive. You can't hop on the train or bus, or park and walk (due to the matchday restrictions that would be put in place locally). You'd be stuck with whatever queues exist, and we've seen how that has worked out at Salford. Lower home attendance.

The plus for Newmarket is the clean slate and decent parking for corporate clients, in somewhere new and glittering, and it's in the corporate boxes where you make the money. They're the ones who are throwing in the big money sponsorship deals and paying for the boxes. If the attendance remained the same, the extra corporate income for Newmarket would mean more money for better players, which might then increase attendance for better success, etc. It might have little impact immediately, but in terms of cashflow and money for players, Newmarket is where it was at.

My preference for Belle Vue is emotional only. But then again, that's why you follow a club.

Tricky.

All the speculation is pointless from the likes of me. I do just wish we would get more updates even if it's just 'still waiting for this or that.' 'Expected news in approximately X ' that sort of thing. We've had big announcements then silence then it's all off again for years now. If this is real now, then updates would b a good idea. Good for season ticket sales too maybe

Nah it wasn't, it's at the top of his home site here. The pictures roll through if you stop on them. I know most have seen them before but for those that haven't [urlhttp://www.88m.co.uk/[/url

I'm in the bracket like many of I'll believe it when I see it, but also very much in the corner of, even if we do get a stadium exactly how it is designed on his artist's impression, what about the rest of the project that was promised, where's that money going. There was so much more to this than a stadium, let alone a tarted up Belle Vue of any kind. Obviously, time is against us and MC and fans will take what we can get to continue our journey but the whole Newmarket project story is scandalous imo.

Quote ="little wayne69"Also there is no guarantee it will bring in extra fans either, as for additional post presumably you can provide a link to this manni's plans announcement, or is it just speculation like your first paragraph.'" https://sw.co.uk/news/8-latest-news/974 ... -new-owner Fill your boots fella. Not the original link/article I saw, but to be honest I can't be @rsed fishing around too much. Pretty sure this is visible on the artists impressions of the ground also. ".....purchase by 88m Group not just of the stadium itself but the adjoining former Superbowl site has revealed exciting new multi million pound plans for a new state of the art community stadium with student accommodation & retail park.”

Quote ="little wayne69"Also there is no guarantee it will bring in extra fans either, as for additional post presumably you can provide a link to this manni's plans announcement, or is it just speculation like your first paragraph.'" https://sw.co.uk/news/8-latest-news/974 ... -new-owner Fill your boots fella. Not the original link/article I saw, but to be honest I can't be @rsed fishing around too much. Pretty sure this is visible on the artists impressions of the ground also. ".....purchase by 88m Group not just of the stadium itself but the adjoining former Superbowl site has revealed exciting new multi million pound plans for a new state of the art community stadium with student accommodation & retail park.”

Wasn't it suggested by someone that 88M had been offered other land around Wakefield, to compensate for the loss of the stadium land.

You could well be right who knows which brings me to my point, there's that much speculation and that many conspiracy theories going about and tbf most of them are credible that it's difficult to decide what to believe, there's one thing for sure manni and Box will know, whether anybody else comes close is everybody's guess.

Anyway my main point was in answer to jizz's claim that it would be better for everybody if we moved to Newmarket, well the short answer to that is no it wouldn't.

Not sure what you mean by 'everybody'. Would it be better for little old Margret who walks to Belle Vue from down the road? Probably not. Would it be better for the club in the long run, improve the match day experience and expand the fan base? We'll probably never know! We'll just have to agree to disagree

Wasn't that Thornes park for housing or have I dreamt that?

Or maybe hotel/restaurant at thornes park

Up the Trin

Yes, Jinger, it was.

I'm sure though, I do recall, that towards the latter part of last year, these plans, were scrapped.

I think, without digging up the past, this area would have been ideal.

I can't quite remember how the plans were laid out, but living in Thornes nowadays, I can't help wondering, what if, how could it all look now. I even look at the athletics track, and just think could all that have been developed round there. Can't quite remember, how the plans looked and exactly where the stadium would have been etc. Would be interesting seeing how the plans for it was designed.

That's what I mean, not everybody wants to go NM myself and a lot more included is that so difficult to understand.

Totally understand. We can nit pick all we like - the main question is what's best for the club in the long run. The argument is redundant as we'll never end up at Newmarket anyway (by the looks). Probably best off just leaving this one and respect the fact people have contrasting views, understandably so.

If we lose fans who won't travel to the other side of the city on principal, then it's a sorry state of affairs and we get what we deserve. Do we want a new stadium or what?! I'm pretty sure measures would be put in place to help as many fans as possible to get there on match days. Anyway, Newmarket is pie in the sky. I don't believe for a minute that it will happen in my lifetime.

I know it's academic, but we can say as a guarantee that things would not get worse at a better version of Belle Vue. It's almost an impossibility. The Salford experience suggests we cannot guarantee it at Newmarket.

Should Newmarket happen, and those not willing to go in cars, how about the club, try to work with Arriva or local travel companies, maybe as like a partnership.

Yes it is - as is an altruistic gesture by 88M at BV, where he gives up land that would otherwise generate revenue, to ensure that the club has everything it needs. This whole thing is a stitch-up job, and anyone who doesn't see that is either unrealistically positive, or hopelessly naïve. WT will get the bare minimum - I guarantee it.

Unfortunately, I have to agree. Which begs me to ask the question (again), why have we aborted legal action....the only person that truly knows is MC. But understand if he can't comment

I would have gone to NM (reluctantly) but BV suits me all day long and I'll be happy with a good enough job done to keep us in SL.
That does not mean I condone all the cheating that's gone on with this business and those responsible should be brought to task - but I think nothing will be done.
As for BV I'm firmly in the 'I'll believe it when I see it camp'.

Wasn’t it mooted that in return for mani allowing the redevelopment of bv he was to receive a piece of council land elsewhere for
Development..ie thornes park ?.

Just a thought, but maybe a deal is that the land Manni gives up to redevelop Belle Vue is compensated by giving him land at Newmarket off York Court? That way the time pressure is taken off York Court a little bit and we can all move forward. Complete speculation on my part but I could see how it would help all concerned with the 2020 redevelopment target.

There has to be a deal somewhere that could suit all parties, the problem is I don’t think anyone trusts anyone else! I.e if we give them this will they do x ....
too many self interested people who won’t come together to make this work

I'll give 88m one thing the stadium is still the lead story on their website so kudos for at least looking interested

All the politics and agreeing with, or disagreeing with, Belle Vue being the right venue or not, the fact is that 2020 will be upon us quicker than you can say Jack Robinson, so something positive needs to start VERY, VERY SOON. With the possible return to franchising being imminent the RFL will need to see some positive action!!!!

Mc talking to James Deighton couple of hours ago ..online now may answer a few people’s questions on where we are at..