No, it’s partly about money. A poor manager will not get the best possible results whatever the resources they have, that’s the same in any business.

Thanks for the updates HV.

It is but it`s not all about money as Scarlett points out, I think if you can be smart with the money that you do have then that goes a long way.

If it was all about money, Warrington would have been SL champions for the last 5/6 years, as it turns out they haven't won it once.

If it was all about Money, Salford would never have been to Old Trafford and Wembley for 2 seasons on the bounce, Cas would never have been in sight of Old Trafford or a league leaders shield.

Which is all very noble but if we walk away then we will get nothing and the Belle Vue refurb doesn’t happen. Sadly Yorkcourt know that and have us over a barrel. They will offer the bare minimum needed to get it passed through planning whether we agree or not.

Spot on.

Good minute taking by the way.

I appreciate them taking the time out to do these, not many other clubs do, but the attitude regarding results is very concerning.

Think people like Morris and Dike had a bit of something to do with it as well, BSC

No, when he says walk away he means from a sub-standard deal, that doesn't mean let Yorkcourt off the hook and walk away from the project. I happen to know the leverage we have and it's pretty strong and without giving anything away the leverage is not the NM site as such.

A number of developers will lose a lot of money, certainly in the short to mid-term if they do not play ball with ourselves and more importantlyWMDC. The weak link was WMDC under Box, we now have a different leader with different agenda, let's hope they stick to their guns.

JM has always said nothing is certain until the money has been handed over, that was and still is the case. This current plan has more to it than any I have seen before but millions of pounds do not fall off trees. Planning permission, by the way, is not the same as funding, I'm not saying you didn't know that but I'm not sure some do.

I can’t imagine Westerman staying. Why would he when he can go to. Club who have better prospects. Reading this thread there doesn’t seem to be any positivity in the club. Not knocking MC at all I bet he is more cheesed off than the rest of us and if he walks I can’t see the club surviving. Who would want a club with a ground that’s not fit for purpose and such a small fan base. Think we are well and truly staring down the barrell. Was hoping for good news on the ground but it sounds as though they are preparing the fans for bad .
Been along time since I felt like this and I’m hoping I’m wrong

Reading the excellent minutes from HV it is clear that the air of defeat is in place throughout the club. We have those at the top whose sole ambition is to finish 11th because they believe money is the sole defining factor of a team’s capabilities. We the supporters of Wakefield over many years know that it is not just money but the team spirit which unfortunately Chester cannot install unlike many of his predecessors

In your opinion, let's not forget that you may think you know it all others may see it differently.

No I don’t know it all but neither do you despite you appearing to have an opinion on every topic. What I do know is that it appears our ambitions are limited and based on the team performances they are living up to the standards set.

I may be wide of the mark and reading our game/players wrong ,but I’d say a big part of our problem on the field at present is confidence ,and not the players ability which is affecting their performances. Certainly doesn’t help our cause playing some of the big hitters first off ,but I believe we will rally and bond sooner rather than later and put some rousing performances in.

Might as well just forfeit Saints games in the future in Minardsthinks we can’t beat them. James Webster all over again.

Might end up with a better points difference.

This is the most worrying aspect for me if we lose academy where where do future players come from.how can a top level side be stopped from producing there own players i dont know.the rfl at its best

Also dont get why there looking for a second rower...first of all we are after a prop in AF which prob wont happen, then we play our best sr at prop while we have 3 props on bench.

We have to be 80-100% right with our so called big nrl signings - eg Lino he isn't performing the way we would like i would say - i think we have wasted what little money we have on him looks to me not going to give us value unless he starts to perform against the teams that will be fighting with us for survival .,,,,i also think miller and toupus time is up and we should now begin to look elsewhere for younger players in the nrl for same money

Problem with us and our limited finances we have to be spot on with our recruiting .

Commenting on the lack of confidence, and quoting Barnsley FC, reminds me of the quote by the ex Barnsley manager Danny Wilson, in getting them in the Premier league in 1997. He was asked what the clubs target was, and if it was solely to avoid relegation. He responded with something like "No, if you set your targets low, you achieve low" So true, in any profession not just sport.

The negativity from our management sucks tonight, and sadly, they'll be wanting the fans to suck up, and cough up more money.

As someone quoted on here lately, after a conversation with MC, don't look at it as a season ticket as being around £275, see it as about £5.50 per week, people may start to keep that money in their pocket, and who'd blame them.

You are right, this is James Webster all over again. He was misinterpreted on purpose too.

Webster, in answer to a direct question, sarcastically replied that maybe we should just pick our games and not aim to win against the big guns, like other people suggested.
Yet everyone tries to quote him that he said we shouldn't try.

Same here. He didn't say we expected to lose. Or planned to lose at all... But that's what is interpreted by people who weren't there.
It was a poor choice to reply at all but it isn't conclusive proof that we have an 'air of defeat in the club' or other glib phrase.

There is a lot of effort going in to try and win every game. The fact that they don't win is not because someone at the club didn't think we'd beat Sts away.
How many of you put a bet on for a win by the way?

I read that you're not allowed in groups of more than 6 spaced at 2m unless you're in a family bubble. Does that mean Wheldon Road will be allowed full capacity?

This was my fear. It seems we are again at the mercy of the developer who have already had one planning application pushed through at the site we were to have our stadium. It’s been months since we submitted planning and cast iron plans yet still nagotiating the funding despite most likely being well aware of the costs involved.

Ditto. Reminds me of Webster planning for the bottom 4 play-offs after regular round week 3!

Which in itself is not going to help expand our season ticket sales database or dampen the 'Chester out' army...

Yes, I remember that too. Personally, I think he should have gone then, but it was allowed to stagnate further into the season. So many parallels here.

If MC does feel like he's had enough, then although there would be uncertainty to begin with, maybe the change would do both parties the world of good here too, as well as coach