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| Quote ="Kettykat"I know that but there isn’t plenty of time as of next week if we lose to Leigh we are down, and statements should have been written for either eventualities and be in place to let the long suffering fans know exactly what is going to happen going forwards ,and In fact who will be leading the charge at the club . For far too long the fans have been kept in the dark and have been treated like second class citizens , do they not realise without us there is no club . A little bit of honesty will go a long way in my mind to gel the club and fans going forwards from this point'"
Quite correct, I think a statement is required.
Also, throughout this, we've only heard one side of the story through statements, thee are two sides to every story
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Well the first bit about protecting investment came straight from the horses mouth
Note of correction it didn’t take any of Carters money to buy the stadium back and likewise Carter didn’t invest any of his own money to fix the North stand. In fact, the stadium was left to rot for many years under Carter as was the pitch'"
Ot of all our owners since we got in SL carter has put the least money into the stadium. Ted got us the Flats, Glover paid for a couple or roofs and also spent money on the pitch, Carter has put noting into it.
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Funny, I've not noticed anyone offering to put their hand in their pocket and invest heavily in the club.'"
In all fairness, most owners of club run their own business, and successful ones at that. It also helps if that person is a supporter of the club.
How many supporters of our club are in that position, and also potentially in a position to invest large amounts.
While I do think the vast majority of us are grateful for Carter and Minards investment, and dont take it for granted. To try and increase fan base, so that were less reliant on investment, they have failed on that front.
On thing in fans favour, chairmen do come and go, true supporters invest for a lifetime
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| Quote ="PopTart"I don't know Carter really. Know Ted.
I don't disagree with anything you say, except maybe the protect investment part. It clearly had to be more than that as he's never tried to receive anything more from his investment. Its all just a donation in the end.
If I remember rightly though, ownership of the stadium was lost under Ted which was a big thing. Took Carter a long time and a lot of money to fix that. And the good times on the field were great but again, because we pushed that and didn't try to fix the stadium, especially the North Stand meant Carter had to invest money there so he couldn't invest in the team.
All those decisions have consequences to the next owners on the list. Same as will happen now'"
For me, theres good and bad in all.
Didnt know Ted very well, but Glover and Carter I did, and still do.
Carter did good and bad, Glover too.
The one thing I did notice though when Glovercwad in charge, and I felt this both as a spectator and employee, was that there was a feel good factor about the place. This has been drained away
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| Quote ="altofts wildcat"Ot of all our owners since we got in SL carter has put the least money into the stadium. Ted got us the Flats.'"
Did we ever pay for them? The suppliers wanted them returning but wouldn't pay for the cost.
What did the local business's get from that 1st CVA? 10p in the £1
Did McNamara, Goulding, Maloney and the rest of the players ever get their wages owed?
Wasn't Glovers 1st expense paying off a £600k bill to the tax man left by Ted?
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| Quote ="altofts wildcat"Ot of all our owners since we got in SL carter has put the least money into the stadium. Ted got us the Flats, Glover paid for a couple or roofs and also spent money on the pitch, Carter has put noting into it.'"
Ted got us the flats,, then we found out Ted could not pay for them .The only reason they are still there is because the building company said it would cost too much to knock down .Then along came Glover left us millions in det The club was ready for folding before Carter took over.Will be a lot more happy watching Wakefield in the Championship than not having a club to watch had Carter not taken over.Sounds to me that Ted and Glover were putting money into the club they did not have .We could do that
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| Think lot of people forget precisely what’s happened over the years - the sainted ted Richardson sucked every penny out of the club . Wasn’t his daughter Diane a very highly paid chief exec. Didn’t bank of Ireland end up owning the ground? Guy was looking after number one. I hate where we’ve ended up but we’d have been bankrupt 8 years ago if it hadn’t been for Carter. At least when we look back Carter / minards will leave the club infrastructure better than when we started , pearman garthwaite walker Richardson Everett single one of them left us with less on there departure than we had when they started. The club lost 600 k last year so to cover this every single supporter needed to put 15oo quid in (man boy etc ) just to break even
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| It still baffles me to this day, why as a sound accountant and businessman he claims to be, why the following.
As a member of the board and paying in a reasonable amount, why he was happy for those mistakes to be made, such as slashed membership sales and outsourcing catering. Humble supporters on here questioned such ideas.
Why let a businessman buy the ground for £600k, then allow the same businessman sell it back to the club for about 5 times that amount
Money may have been spent on the ground but not until it was bought back. Remember his quote 'I dont spend anything on what I dont own", hes even said it on here.
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| Theres a lot of re-writing history going on here. Rodney Walker had a big part to play with the club not buying the ground back for £600k. Additionally the £3.2m the club paid included the superbowl site as well as the stadium.
Ted sold the ground, God knows where the money went? This meant the BOI took ownership during the administration when Glover took over.
I'm not a fan of MC, and I don't think accountants ever make good leaders. They tend to know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. He did however steady the ship and its telling we've not had an off season wondering how many winding up orders the club are likely to be receiving for a while.
Never the less, the club has stagnated and declined in most aspects over the past 5 seasons, a change is needed, and has been for a while.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"It still baffles me to this day, why as a sound accountant and businessman he claims to be, why the following.
As a member of the board and paying in a reasonable amount, why he was happy for those mistakes to be made, such as slashed membership sales and outsourcing catering. Humble supporters on here questioned such ideas.
Why let a businessman buy the ground for £600k, then allow the same businessman sell it back to the club for about 5 times that amount
Money may have been spent on the ground but not until it was bought back. Remember his quote 'I dont spend anything on what I dont own", hes even said it on here.'"
Glover did put money in, and a considerable amount given the fact he was only there for two and a half years, in which he got
two stands erected, while at that time we didnt own the ground, and managed to do this without any shirt sponsor money coming in for the best part of 12 months.
I also think its fair to say that throughout that time of him in charge, most of the clubs energy and emotions, stadium wise, were pinned on Newmarket
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Glover did put money in, and a considerable amount given the fact he was only there for two and a half years, in which he got
two stands erected, while at that time we didnt own the ground, and managed to do this without any shirt sponsor money coming in for the best part of 12 months.
I also think its fair to say that throughout that time of him in charge, most of the clubs energy and emotions, stadium wise, were pinned on Newmarket'"
... and again, I though Walker ended up forking out for the roof over the North Stand.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"... and again, I though Walker ended up forking out for the roof over the North Stand.'"
He didnt
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| Plenty of facts and figures relating to Trinity's finances over the year's in Mike Rylance's book.
TRINITY: a history of the Wakefield Rugby League Football Club 1872-2013
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"... and again, I though Walker ended up forking out for the roof over the North Stand.'"
Rodney Walker paid an urgent tax bill of around £150,000
Had he not done so we were the subject of an Inland Revenue winding up order
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| Quote ="The Clan"Rodney Walker paid an urgent tax bill of around £150,000
Had he not done so we were the subject of an Inland Revenue winding up order'"
Correct, and was paid back via the RFL, though I think it was nearer the £175k mark
They reduced it from our monthly funding along with the payment to the BOI
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| The point of all this discussion is that every owner/director has put money into the club.
Nearly every one in my life time have done it when we are struggling or literally hanging over the admin trap door.
They all had good intentions no matter what their motivation and should be applauded for that.
Some were better than others in managing the club but ultimately, until now every one has had to hand over the club because they ran out of money and didn't manage the money we had correctly.
Some had to sell top players and a ground along the way.
What Carter did was downgrade that so we operated where we were capable. He hands over a sustainable club but hasn't spent what we haven't got on chasing a dream....so the on field suffered.
We all want the dream. And hopefully Ellis can help us see it.
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| Sums it up very well PT.
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| Looking forward to it happening
Up the Trin
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| Quote ="PopTart"The point of all this discussion is that every owner/director has put money into the club.
Nearly every one in my life time have done it when we are struggling or literally hanging over the admin trap door.
They all had good intentions no matter what their motivation and should be applauded for that.
Some were better than others in managing the club but ultimately, until now every one has had to hand over the club because they ran out of money and didn't manage the money we had correctly.
Some had to sell top players and a ground along the way.
What Carter did was downgrade that so we operated where we were capable. He hands over a sustainable club but hasn't spent what we haven't got on chasing a dream....so the on field suffered.
We all want the dream. And hopefully Ellis can help us see it.'"
Spot on and hope you right about Ellis
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| I don't like the sound of the answer John minnards gave to the question about the takeover He said" It remains under discussion ". That is the sort of phrase you use when you think it could be off but you think there is a slim chance it might go through. Not the sort of language used in other statements where he and Mr carter sounded very confident
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| Quote ="Hopwood"I don't like the sound of the answer John minnards gave to the question about the takeover He said" It remains under discussion ". That is the sort of phrase you use when you think it could be off but you think there is a slim chance it might go through. Not the sort of language used in other statements where he and Mr carter sounded very confident
I don't see a problem with that comment. He has once again stated that neither he or MC will stand in the way of the takeover.
So, what else can it be that's stalling it? Perhaps he and MC, although not standing in the way of a satisfactory takeover, which will benefit the club, will not simply stand on one side and let it go through if it will be to the demise of the club.
The intentions of the prospective owners must be taken into account, and questions will be asked if they do have the money and the ability to run the club in the correct way.
I've heard all sorts of rumours, - that it's regarding where the money is coming from, and one even that the prospective owner actually wants us to be relegated, so we can start again (with the help and advice of an unpopular figure from the past!) I refuse to believe anything until a conclusion is reached one way or the other, BUT I remain convinced that both JM and MC do have the clubs interests at heart and whatever they do will be for the benefit, and sustainability of the club.
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| The current incumbents admit they couldn’t finance the team even with the Sky money and media coverage. Why do you believe the one incumbent could do so on Championship funding. If the takeover fails the club fails and our decline would be rapid.
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| Because the income is the same no matter how many of your incumbents there are.
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| I have learnt not to knock anyone who puts their hand up and try and do something with running a club. Not everyone will be successful and the vast majority will fail . But at least they tried. What I can't stand is those that just sit back and moan repeatedly playing the same old record
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| Quote ="Trin e ti"I have learnt not to knock anyone who puts their hand up and try and do something with running a club. Not everyone will be successful and the vast majority will fail . But at least they tried. What I can't stand is those that just sit back and moan repeatedly playing the same old record'"
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