Dont forget #backthebadge in every tweet, @WTWchairman

Michael Carter @WTWChairman

Morning everyone. We've now sold 1963 season tickets. Would just like to thank each and every one of you for your purchase #backthebadge

37 away from the magical 2,000 then it's a long haul toward 2,500

Can we get there before the season begins

I think it's fairly decent considering where we've been. It does really boil down to whether joe public in Wakefield wants a professional club in the city. Those that have already bought, I thank you. If we stay at 2000 I'd like to see an average walk up per game of at least 4000.

Are you till looking to push Season Ticket sales or, do you think that we have reached the point where those that want a season ticket will have bought one.
Considering where we were when the first S.O.S. went out, I think most fans are delighted with where we are right now. The squad looks competitive and the new season is only a few weeks away and it will be great when we are all talking about the weekly games again.

On behalf of all supporters of Wakefield, can I say thank you for getting the club out of he mire and hope that we all have a successful and happy new year !

I think having got through the last 4 months, I'd be more then delighted to average crowds of 6000 because in terms of cash and cash flow, it will now benefit us more over the course of the season, then it would to have a late surge of season ticket sales. Having said that, I certainly wouldn't discourage late buyers either!!!

Guaranteed income vs potential income based on how the team you've assembled competes?

Tough one

Yep the great unknown. However we managed to hold on to quite a few in the 2011 season despite the poor squad assembled. We need everyone possible to keep the faith and attend every match regardless of whether we are on a good run or a bad one. Because at some point we are bound to have one. And the term 'supporter' then realised its true value.

I know of three fans who have yet to renew but will. If you replicate that we could be looking at a few hundred more.

that's an interesting one... I would suggest we naturally pull supporters from an area overlapping with two other professional clubs. And... Due tothe more mobile workforce there are considerable tranches of fans of oter clubs living within the city boundary.

So where DO we pull fans from?

The old adage of "build it and they will come" is a falsehood.... We had a lot of people through the gates last year ( regardless of the monetary value of their contribution) these people are key.

Not that they come back... But where did they come from... Their demographic... How far did they travel? How did they get to the ground, what motivated them to come? ( I don't accept that free tickets are the draw... Free tickets will only attract people who want to be there, I have been offered free tickets for AFL and Waratahs games, but I am not interested in the games) the numbers suggest... Nay confirm... a market out there.

Just a footnote... I wanted to follow the boxing day game via the web.... But despite searching for several hours I could not find any press release which gave the kick off time.

Ps this isn't a rant or a lecture... Just some observations.

An articulated tome. I would fully concede their are areas ie marketing, where we are woefully short on what we need. The trouble being we find ourselves in catch 22. No money to speculate on employing people who may or may not improve revenue. Looking at Salford as an example, the dr has obviously ploughed in money into the infrastructure to try and improve Salford long term profitability. Unfortunately we do not have someone like this with the capital to embark on such projects. Thus you are left trying to balance expenditure with income, and hope that you see some extra income develop along the way, that can be ploughed back in, thus starting an upward spiral. Only time will tell. Or a nice rich benefactor?

You make a great point OB.
Those that came, came partly because it was a good deal but partly because we were entertaining and the atmosphere was great.
AG and JE in my opinion didn't so much have bad ideas, they just didn't execute them well, or possibly at the right time.
Getting people in dragged more in. That plan worked I have no doubt. I think they just lost sight of their main priority for getting them in was to increase the income.

I'm reading the new Wakefield Trinity book and I'm amazed at some of the low crowd numbers we've had watching some great players of the past.
We've done something to change that. We need to find a way of keeping them and increasing the income as well.
No easy task but it's easier now they've been at least once before

DC.....on the Rich benefactor......I keep buying the lottery tickets but I only won a £10 this week.
Will try again for the £91 million tomorrow and will give you a call if the numbers come up.

As meaningless as #togetherwearestronger for mine.

So, what slogan would you choose for the club then? Seriously.

I don't find them meaningless at all.
They are good tag lines and a good way of marketing the club. Each work well for the position we were and are now in.

I don't think the clubs needs a slogan as such. If there was one when the club was first set up and has since become tradition then fair enough. The new ones like Together we are stronger et al all sound a bit false although I accept for the younger generation its useful to have some sort of hashtag for them to use while on twitter.

I do take your point, although I disagree with the ideas/execution bit, and I've disagreed with it ever since I've been involved. I could get 10000 there every week. Just make it free! Does us absolutely no good though? If I made it 30 per adult would I still get 1000 adults there? Every chance I reckon with our hardcore support. There has to be a point where we can maximise gate revenue? I think 20 pound for 2 hours entertainment is competitive when you look at how bowling or the cinema stacks up these days and you take into account the deals for kids. Like I've said in another post if we can average 4000 walk up, I'll be happy.

£20 on the gate isn't that bad for an adult coming in on their own but it soon stacks up when the wife and kids also come out too, have you thought of a family day ticket ?

That was part of my point... We can never prove or disprove it... But I don't think you could. The people who came, wanted to come... No amount of free football can get someone along who is not interested.

There is a market there and has been shown to be an expanding market over a couple of years... I would love to be able to do the work to understand why... And how is it possible to take that kernel and grow it into a steady and predictable income stream... Sometimes being 13000 miles away is a bit frustrating.

All I would say is don't give up on those people. The more you get in the ground, the more people will want to come. Scarcity creates demand.

And remember those people came along last year in the face of some pretty poor form

I must admit I haven't had a season ticket for many years due to work, Cricket, family and the uncertainty of when games will be played ie changes for sky.

I have two sons age 12/15 who sometimes want to watch the games, but when the whole family go to a game, add in program, food, drinks etc, there isn't much change from £100 so we cant afford every home game, a mini family season ticket would appeal but it would have to be flexible for a range of games as we cant get to every match.

people do need tempting though. Offers work in every walk of life, and the better the offer the more tempting resulting in an increase in sales. The club MUST look at offers to increase its sales, to sit back and hope for x number walking on the day without tempting them back is an utter waste. Gates against salford, london and cats are low, i would think of making an offer to walkings on those games, providing they have paid full on 3 or more games. A token or stamp to provide money off. Also a family match ay ticket for the three games may help.

people do need tempting though. Offers work in every walk of life, and the better the offer the more tempting resulting in an increase in sales. The club MUST look at offers to increase its sales, to sit back and hope for x number walking on the day without tempting them back is an utter waste. Gates against salford, london and cats are low, i would think of making an offer to walkings on those games, providing they have paid full on 3 or more games. A token or stamp to provide money off. Also a family match ay ticket for the three games may help.

family match day tickets would be excellent, but if any of the three games are altered for sky etc. then that may not fit in with other commitments, a family ticket for any three games would be better (or maybe any class of game) so the ticket wouldn't apply to class A games such as Cas, Leeds etc, where crowds are usually quite good anyway, but maybe for use on any three from five as an example. Catalans, London, Salford, Widnes, and one other !

I don't think we need one. Back the badge that was created by the last lot that ran us dry?