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| Quote ="bren2k"A few players, BC included, were guilty of trying too hard - champagne rugby when you haven't earned it never works out.
Mathers had a wobbly start but came good - he never dropped a kick, was well positioned in defence and marshalled the troops well; he adds value in the attacking line and that's something we haven't had for ages. When they do the video this week, I expect that Hanbury non-tackle will feature heavily.
No need to panic - it was a stinker of a performance against Widnes with their extra man, but we rescued it; hopefully the nerves will be settled and we'll be back to our best next week.'"
That wouldn't be an issue if it were just one game but it's every game - I do believe we pay him as a top pro capable of playing well for the full 80 or am I missing something. I'm not being as harsh as the opening poster but he has a point. The rose tinted specs are out again on this one IMO.
You won't get the best out of any player if you just let him off when he makes the same mistake over and over. That Bren is not panic, just reality.
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"Didn't play well and still won,in the top 8,6 wins on the trot,why do we still slag our players off,are you bored ,don't understand the game or not true Wakey fans.I suggest you get behind them or shut up and stay away cause your doing my head in.
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Might I suggest you grow up or stay away from forums where debate takes place
Please don't tell me about supporting this club, bar room big mouth like you have no idea the efforts I've gone too for this club - I was at BV when there were 800 on the terraces, iI'm absolutely certain the likes of you were not - I also guarantee when your bored or if it goes bad you will be the first to take your bat and ball home - so excuse me but I won't take lecture from the likes of you.
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| Something I feel needs pointing out is that whilst Mathers is defusing high balls which aint the easiest skill to perfect he also has to be conscious of Mr Fox who can not defend, granted he is a points machine but any half decent side can spot him a mile off and target him so this in turn puts more pressure on our fullback to perform to a higher degree than even he anticipated.
so lets stop attacking our players WE ARE IN THE TOP EIGHT who would have thought that at the beginning of the season.
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| Quote ="vastman"Might I suggest you grow up or stay away from forums where debate takes place
Please don't tell me about supporting this club, bar room big mouth like you have no idea the efforts I've gone too for this club - I was at BV when there were 800 on the terraces, iI'm absolutely certain the likes of you were not - I also guarantee when your bored or if it goes bad you will be the first to take your bat and ball home - so excuse me but I won't take lecture from the likes of you.'"
Mr Vast man educated debate yes but the dribble on here come on some people call themselves supporters.
supporters
somebody who supports somebody or something, such as a cause, idea, course of action, or sports team.
cant see much of the above from a large section on here.
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funny how Mr Vast man can assume he is the only one to support the boys through thick an thin can i ask who was the other 799, basic maths.
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| Can someone name me a full back who hasnt at some point supposedly "cost his side a game"? as i pointed out earlier, what about the defenders who didnt rap Winterstein up and allowed him to get the ball away?? They are as much at fault as Mathers, but no mention whatsoever.
Amor last night, had hands like cows t!ts, the game pretty much passed Sykes by, Washbrook wasnt quite upto his usual standard, Lee Smith was shocking. Jeez it was a bad night at the office, but we won.
RM is a good enough fullback for where we are aiming right now, a regular 6th to 10th finish. If we were looking to break into the top 4 then i would say yes, maybe we need to have a look around but that would also apply to numerous other positions.
If NGB4C had come out with some of the garbage posted on this thread they would be called all the names under the sun by certain posters.
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| Quote ="vastman"Might I suggest you grow up or stay away from forums where debate takes place
Please don't tell me about supporting this club, bar room big mouth like you have no idea the efforts I've gone too for this club - I was at BV when there were 800 on the terraces, iI'm absolutely certain the likes of you were not - I also guarantee when your bored or if it goes bad you will be the first to take your bat and ball home - so excuse me but I won't take lecture from the likes of you.'"
Sorry,didn't realise nobody could reply to your educated posts,I would have taken my bat and ball home a long time ago every time things went wrong at wakey but I didn't,never will unlike some people on here. Got to go,things to do catch you later.
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| Quote ="vastman"You won't get the best out of any player if you just let him off when he makes the same mistake over and over. That Bren is not panic, just reality.'"
I'm not suggesting he should be 'let off,' but since we aren't his line manager, we have to accept that the person who is will be working with him this week to point out what was good and bad about his performance; I know the individual who assists with video analysis and I can say with certainty that RA covers this stuff in fine detail with each and every player.
In more general terms, I'm not sure what you're driving at - he's a perfectly capable fb who is safe as houses under the high ball, carries it up well and joins the attacking line to great effect. Like many fb's, he's not the most impactful cover tackler and is prone to the odd brain explosion, but he's added more this season than he's taken away. That's Richie Mathers and he's alright by me - I hope we sign him up for next season.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I'm not suggesting he should be 'let off,' but since we aren't his line manager, we have to accept that the person who is will be working with him this week to point out what was good and bad about his performance; I know the individual who assists with video analysis and I can say with certainty that RA covers this stuff in fine detail with each and every player.
In more general terms, I'm not sure what you're driving at - he's a perfectly capable fb who is safe as houses under the high ball, carries it up well and joins the attacking line to great effect. Like many fb's, he's not the most impactful cover tackler and is prone to the odd brain explosion, but he's added more this season than he's taken away. That's Richie Mathers and he's alright by me - I hope we sign him up for next season.'"
I'm pretty non-plussed by the Mathers situation. I suppose it all depends on who we replace him with if he doesn't sign. I think 'safe as houses' is pushing it about about him under the high bomb but I suppose as a lower team we always have to accept that something will give somewhere in the attack/defence balance
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| Mathers is the best full back we have had for quite a while.
Get off his back.
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| He's not the only player who makes mistakes. Mathers has been a good signing for us this year, I'd be happy to see him stay.
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| Quote ="Schunter"I think 'safe as houses' is pushing it about about him under the high bomb'"
Fair comment - that probably was overstating it a bit.
I maintain however that he's at least as good as the majority of fb's in SL and better than many.
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"Sorry,didn't realise nobody could reply to your educated posts,I would have taken my bat and ball home a long time ago every time things went wrong at wakey but I didn't,never will unlike some people on here.
Got to go,things to do catch you later.'"
You didn't reply, you accused - there is a huge difference but I'm not surprised you don't know.
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| Quote ="Fritzys Mullet"Can someone name me a full back who hasnt at some point supposedly "cost his side a game"? as i pointed out earlier, what about the defenders who didnt rap Winterstein up and allowed him to get the ball away?? They are as much at fault as Mathers, but no mention whatsoever.
Amor last night, had hands like cows t!ts, the game pretty much passed Sykes by, Washbrook wasnt quite upto his usual standard, Lee Smith was shocking. Jeez it was a bad night at the office, but we won.
RM is a good enough fullback for where we are aiming right now, a regular 6th to 10th finish. If we were looking to break into the top 4 then i would say yes, maybe we need to have a look around but that would also apply to numerous other positions.
If NGB4C had come out with some of the garbage posted on this thread they would be called all the names under the sun by certain posters.'"
Garbage in your opinion, it's that bit you just don't seem to get. If your opinion is the only worthwhile one on here then the forum is dead - thankfully your inane ramblings and inability to debate are not typical.
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| Quote ="vastman"You didn't reply, you accused - there is a huge difference but I'm not surprised you don't know.'"
What a sad vast man you are.Teddy out of cot or what.
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| Quote ="fat lad @ the back"Mr Vast man educated debate yes but the dribble on here come on some people call themselves supporters.
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cant see much of the above from a large section on here.
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funny how Mr Vast man can assume he is the only one to support the boys through thick an thin can i ask who was the other 799, basic maths.'"
Go on, who text who first to offer or request support against big bad vasty
What a load of old crap you write. I was just expressing a fair and balanced opinion on Mathers as I did on Cockayne - you on the other hand are just assuming your way of supporting is the only one and fair criticism has no place - and thus shouting down the opposition.
It would be laughable if it were not so pathetic and transparent. It also won't work, I can do this all day 7 days a week - just try me
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"What a sad vast man you are.Teddy out of cot or what.
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Not at all, the only Teddy I picked up was the one next to your dummy that you spat out when I dared to criticise you fave player of all time.
Would you like your dummy back?
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| Quote ="vastman"I can do this all day 7 days a week - just try me
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Any chance of doing it by PM? Just that it clutters up the place.
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| We've got into the top eight against all gthe odds/predictions and some are having a go at the lads who got us there. Sure, many of them have weaknessess in their games, I'm sure they know that themselves but try to improve. It's the best squad we've had since the days of Solo, Domic etc.
I'll take what, I'm seeing now over and above some of the $h1te I've watched at Belle Vue over the last 38 years any day of the week.
Jesus, if we won the grand Final ther'd still be some moaning. Let's enjoy it while we can
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| Quote ="vastman"Not bad for you.
Next time you post your heartfelt and firmly held opinions on thuggish players try not to do another 360 degree turn just cause it suits - theres a good lad
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Not called for - don't be going for a scorched earth policy just because you're in a spat with your old adversary.
I remain content in having been proved wrong by the way, and being man enough to admit it.
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| Quote ="vastman"Garbage in your opinion, it's that bit you just don't seem to get. If your opinion is the only worthwhile one on here then the forum is dead - thankfully your inane ramblings and inability to debate are not typical.'"
I offered my opinion in the same way you did/do. i think you are talking garbage you think i am. Where as i can accept someone disagreeing with my opinion you on many occasions have shown you can not.
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| Quote ="Fritzys Mullet"I offered my opinion in the same way you did/do. i think you are talking garbage you think i am. Where as i can accept someone disagreeing with my opinion you on many occasions have shown you can not.'"
Really, and you think that how you act - man yiur so noble I'm not worthy
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| See, there are somethings we agree on.
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| Quote ="Fritzys Mullet"See, there are somethings we agree on.'"
It's a start I suppose.
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| This is going nowhere.
Lets cut out the personal insults/rows.
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