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| It's about time a completely new merged team was on the agenda. I have been watching Wakey since 1960 and would not have any problems with a merged team as long as there was no senior partner.
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| Yes York Court can still go ahead with their plans for Newmarket so why would they put money into GH
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| Great post. I think that after a few seasons, maybe just the lifetime of one licence, both teams would be reaping the benefits of the shared, jointly-owned ground. Thoughts would naturally turn to a merged club. I agree that this is the only way to challenge the big clubs, and with the talent this district generates (which now is snaffled by Leeds, Bradford, etc.) we would as a merged club be able to retain this and genuinely be contenders. Some fans would rather see us just limping along forever, looking over our shoulder until the RFL find a legit way to get rid of us. I, however, believe the club should take control of their own destiny.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"It personally makes no difference to me where Trinity play, my concern would be, if it were to be at Glasshoughton, whose ground would it be?
If Trinity were just lodgers then, the writing would be on the wall. I can imagine a large number of Cas fans creaming themselves at the thought.
If, however, the ground was joint owned, that’s a different prospect.
But, at the end of the day, both clubs can stagger on from season to season, winning jack-all. Whilst unpalatable, a joint club is IMO is the only way to have serious ambitions to win some silverware.
I can understand Cas fans exulting the virtues of Glasshoughton, I wonder if they would go and watch a merged team there, and not one with the name Castleford in it?'"
I would ,if the team was playing at GH
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| Quote ="1948er"Would some one tell me where the extra funding that is required for GH will come from.Why would York Court put their money into GH what do they get out of it.'"
Planning permission at Newmarket for their proposed development excluding a Community Stadium.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Planning permission at Newmarket for their proposed development excluding a Community Stadium.'"
Add to that, people seem to think that Yorkcourt are putting limited, if any, money into the Wakefield project anyway. They wouldn't be losing out much. Waystone and Cas would.
At least this way we can preach about being the only true derby? Hull's are in the same city, we're in the same stadium - beat that!
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| think we are in a minority though Chairman
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| Merger, yes. Groundshare, no.
I'm all for a groundshare. I stop at that though. I will not support a unified club if it pains me.
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| That did occur to me, but I thought I was being just a bit too cynical. They might well be looking at a scaled-down version of the original plan. This may even have been their contingency plan all along, who knows. Some of these developers are masters of the long game.
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| Quote ="ParanoidAndroid"I'd have just used the last 3 letters myself but hey ho.'"
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| Quote ="1948er"[u:36kjulpzWould some one tell me where the extra funding that is required for GH will come from[/u:36kjulpz.Why would [u:36kjulpzYork Court put their money into GH what do they get out of it.[/[/u
Thats a question i have asked but it seems no one knows. i'm still being told that the funding is still short at GH.
The last line of the SWAG statement says Wakey will noT be going to GH.
Confused, unhappy, sick, worried and Sad.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Planning permission at Newmarket for their proposed development excluding a Community Stadium.'"
Ha Ha ! Never thought of that one
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| I don't see the problem in supporting a completely new merged team from the area. Sure I would prefer to support my home team which I have been doing for nearly 50 years but in all honesty both clubs are gonna limp along having the occasional good run of form, but I think this district deserves to be one of the big boys.
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| The position of Box as outlined on the W.E. site is hillarious. The council made their offer regarding the land just over 12 months ago. It would appear that at that time the council felt that 'gifting' assets with a total value of 4+ million made sense in the interests of the community of Wakefield and the five towns.
However due to budget cuts they don't feel they can justify this now. It is staggering - where have they been. Budget cuts were always going to happen and they would have known that when they made this decision. The Value for Money arguements being applied now were just as applicable 12 months ago as they are now. Of course feasibility study is the sensible option - but it was the sensible option years ago and it was the sensible option 12 months ago when the council made their initial decision.
Im a long time advocate of a stadium share - I am of the opinion that the RFL need to take another look at the pressures they are execerting in terms of stadia and francise bids. The rush to comply with licencing is bad for the game - it will result in millions of wasted pounds leaving our sport. Money that could be used for the benefits of our communities and in improving the infrastructure of the community and junior game. This is absolutely the business of the RFL.
If there is a genuine appetite within the council for a feasability study it will be interesting to see the scope of the study. Exactly what will they be seeking to extablish the feasability of?
Which site is best suited to sharing?
Which site offers bect V4M in terms of the land the council are throwing in the pot?
Which development offers most total benefits to the community?
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| Quote ="Fully"I think J32 still holds the best future for both clubs, both long-term and short-term. That's not me being biased, that's just the way I see it.
Newmarket has no potential benefits for Castleford; Wakefield moving to Glasshoughton does. You can market yourselves as a "district" club rather than a city club, your fans will already have most of the facilities nearby or on site and there is no dispute over J30 anymore.
It would solve a lot of issues.'"
think with in a year or so we will both be marketing as a district club as one,there is no way the rfl will rest untill we a merged.if the ground was to be at gh i as a wakey fan would still attend every home game its only a couple of junctions extra down the motorway
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| No merger of clubs what ever happens Wakefield people are different to cas people and cas v wakey are the best games of the season so we cannot merge never ever never ever !!!!
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| Quote ="Fully"Merger, yes. Groundshare, no.
I'm all for a groundshare. I stop at that though. I will not support a unified club if it pains me.'"
What about an Ipswich / Castleford multi-sport superclub?
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| Quote ="Fully"Well, the whole independent process means that the research will be done on an impartial basis and then given to those who commission it, not altered to suit one party over the other.'"
The thing is, with the parcels of land loaned to both parties, Newmarket doesn’t need a review to know which site ticks more boxes. The paranoia in me thinks this would be no way independent, IMO it’s already a done deal, that’s why Wright wants it apparently without even knowing what the parameters are and why Trinity are a little more reserved on the matter.
As I said before, the commissioners of the review didn’t want to include the community facilities on offer at Newmarket, one of the key areas of the development, but were quite happy to include the railway station at Glasshoughton.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"No merger of clubs what ever happens Wakefield people are different to cas people and cas v wakey are the best games of the season so we cannot merge never ever never ever !!!!'"
1 stadium = merged team within a couple of years IMO.
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| Wow, this has prompted me to do what i have said i would never do, post on a message board, so here goes.......................
Its about time we, Cas and Wakey supporters stopped the 'mines bigger and better than yours' crap and started working together on this one, because the ground sharing nonsense is just the precurser that the clowns at Red Hall want to force the merger issue again.
The ground share is a no no if we both want to retain our individual identities, and imo the team that moves out of its own heartland will be the one that withers and dies.
We should ride this storm and stick with our own plans , us at GH you lot at Newmarket and if both fail or the Superleague decide we are not wanted, then tough, let Leeds pretend they have a rivalry with Bradford when their supporters see Cas and Wakey as their real derby opponants and we will recommence hostilities in the championship along with a tasty extra derby with Featherstone.
Superleague will miss us both more than we will miss them, and we may just have a laugh on the way, saving both clubs identities and sticking 2 fingers up to the clowns at Red Hall.
And please do something about the 'newgroundbeforecas' poster, he makes your fanbase look a little odd
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"The thing is, with the parcels of land loaned to both parties, Newmarket doesn’t need a review to know which site ticks more boxes. The paranoia in me thinks this would be no way independent, IMO it’s already a done deal, that’s why Wright wants it apparently without even knowing what the parameters are and why Trinity are a little more reserved on the matter.
As I said before, the commissioners of the review didn’t want to include the community facilities on offer at Newmarket, one of the key areas of the development, but were quite happy to include the railway station at Glasshoughton.'"
The "Community Facilities", for what they are, can easily be built at Glasshougton. The railway station right on the doorstep is an obvoius advantage that Glasshoughton has.
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| Quote ="1948er"Would some one tell me where the extra funding that is required for GH will come from.Why would York Court put their money into GH what do they get out of it.'"
They wouldn’t put any money into GH. The extra money comes from the value of the two plot of land combined to partially fund one stadium instead of two.
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| Put it this way, Trinity go to Cas there is no chance of picking up new support, some of the hardcore may go with them. Trinity go somewhere else nearby, say Barnsley, then some of the hardcore will go with them and there are possibilities that they will pick up new support.
Both include travel a certain amount of distance. One offers better opportunities to grow the club. I know which I would prefer as the Plan B option.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"The thing is, with the parcels of land loaned to both parties, Newmarket doesn’t need a review to know which site ticks more boxes. The paranoia in me thinks this would be no way independent, IMO it’s already a done deal, that’s why Wright wants it apparently without even knowing what the parameters are and why Trinity are a little more reserved on the matter.
As I said before, the commissioners of the review didn’t want to include the community facilities on offer at Newmarket, one of the key areas of the development, but were quite happy to include the railway station at Glasshoughton.'"
Aren't there community facilities at Glasshoughton? I'm sure one of the (many) delays was attributed to talks with the council on what public facilities the stadium would include
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Put it this way, Trinity go to Cas there is no chance of picking up new support, some of the hardcore may go with them. Trinity go somewhere else nearby, say Barnsley, then some of the hardcore will go with them and there are possibilities that they will pick up new support.
Both include travel a certain amount of distance. One offers better opportunities to grow the club. I know which I would prefer as the Plan B option.'"
I don't think that's entirely true. Cas have a bad season, I could imagine lots of fair weather fans turning up to see a winning local team.
Also with all the transport links to Glasshoughton, there would be ample opportunity for both clubs to grow their fanbase.
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