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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Can you all just stand back, have a look at the wider picture and consider what is happening here.
I will start by saying they are not winning the battle. This is just a skirmish. The club have sat back from any media announcement but it doesn't mean things are not happening. However by remaining silent, it has caused WMDC to make two ridiculous outbursts to the press. Further press comments by other journalists that are ill researched and can easily be re butted. But best of all 88G have already started 'to shoot their load' and without lifting a finger they have bitten and took the bait. They have now shown what type of people they really are. What their intentions really are and how we should not believe a word they are saying. Let them carry on blurting out like spoilt kids because all they are doing is revealing their true hand and loosing total credibility. All of this and we have not done anything !!
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The problem is most people these days get their news from quotes on social media or headlines on websites, and probably don't even bother clicking/reading the article properly. Anybody that knows what's been going on can see through this latest nonsense in the media, but to Joe public they will digest whatever narrative is fed to them if it's written down somewhere that's deemed 'credible'. It does seem weird how they have upped the anti in the media and got 88m on the bandwagon too. I hope that the next hand we play is a blinder, in MC we trust.
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| Quote ="thebeagle"Well,I hope you are correct in your summation Prince as I and many other diehards feel utterly deflated and need something to 'cling on to'.'"
Stand firm, some posters are too quick to waive the white flag. If the opposition had such a strong position they would not be resorting to poorly thought out media onslaught , they would just get on with it and do what they want to do.
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| Got to agree with what PB has said. The council statement goes on about can’t expect a stadium for nothing and to keep all revenues but it was they who negotiated the s106 for cas ground which low and behold will see a private entity get just that
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| Mick Amos makes a good point on twitter. 17 council officials 'earn' £1.5m of rate payers money between them per year. Value for money?! That's the angle supporters need to go down on social media.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Can you all just stand back, have a look at the wider picture and consider what is happening here.
Quote will start by saying they are not winning the battle. This is just a skirmish. The club have sat back from any media announcement but it doesn't mean things are not happening. However by remaining silent, it has caused WMDC to make two ridiculous outbursts to the press. Further press comments by other journalists that are ill researched and can easily be re butted. But best of all 88G have already started 'to shoot their load' and without lifting a finger they have bitten and took the bait. They have now shown what type of people they really are. What their intentions really are and how we should not believe a word they are saying. Let them carry on blurting out like spoilt kids because all they are doing is revealing their true hand and loosing total credibility. All of this and we have not done anything !!
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They have won the PR battle which i've feeling was their plan. And as nature abhors a vacuum a lack of response gave opportunity to hammer the point home with the wider public and casual Wakey fan. Thats done now, i doubt anything we could counter with would wrest that back. I'm not sure it was news that 88M are in bed the other side, it just confirms what we thought. But to people outside of this forum they don't see that and neither do the general populous with no rugby interest particularly care. I doubt we'll hear much more from them at this point but i've got a sneaky feeling they are far from showing their hand yet. I've got a work meeting this week which i may or may not be able to glean some info from afterwards. I'll be asking anyway.
Quote Now a few other points people have mentioned.
Yorkcourt are at the back sing because all this has taken the spotlight away from them, in fact in some peoples eyes they have been forgotten totally. This is being done intentionally by the council to get them out of the mess and move on.
Sacred Cow has also summarised it correctly but only partially. You see Yorkcourt are already looking to add furher millions to what they have already made. Its obvious 88G are in for this to do the same and seeing as someone has mentioned Thornes Park, I will stake my reputation that when we find out what the full details of what that is, the stench will be just as strong as Newmarket.
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Without a doubt there are darker forces at work here and ones that hold a lot of power and are united in one thing, making plenty of cold hard cash. The background dealings will be going on and whilst there might not be anything illegal in that it's pretty disingenuous to say the least. Yorkcourt will just be seeing how this all pans out in the short term but i have no doubt they have plan in place when the timing is right. I'm convinced they will never fund a stadium at Newmarket either way.
Quote The reason for these outbursts are because the silence of the club is really getting under their skins. They see millions of pounds within touching distance and all their devious plans depend on one factor, Wakefield Trinity. The club has and is being used as a ploy, but unless it agrees to their demands they are
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They may be stealing media time, you may think they hold all the cards. But the one card that matters, the true Ace is held by the club. They know that and more than anyone MC and CB realise that'" .'"
I'm not as confident as you on this as i don't think our hand is as strong as you do but i hope beyond hope to be wrong. We have that 106 card to play but as time ticks on that card has gone from an ace to a king and will soon be the queen at best. There's a few moves to play either way yet and MC needs to play the game of his life to pull it off. It can be done but the fella is up against it. We have to trust in MC & CB as we have no choice, they have to get a result as the alternative doesn't bare thinking about.
P.S. You may have noticed i have no idea how to multi-quote on this thing! Apologies.
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| Having read the editorial by long-time Trinity supporter and League Express editor Martyn Sadler, I can only think that he is either one (or all of) the following: toeing the establishment line and placing his empathies with Box, Jeffreys and 88M; Just plain gullible or totally ignorant of the previous history surrounding the whole Newmarket/Belle Vue saga.
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| Quote ="Redscat"Having read the editorial by long-time Trinity supporter and League Express editor Martyn Sadler, I can only think that he is either one (or all of) the following: toeing the establishment line and placing his empathies with Box, Jeffreys and 88M; Just plain gullible or totally ignorant of the previous history surrounding the whole Newmarket/Belle Vue saga.
Come on, Martyn, a bit more research before you publish articles please.'"
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| He still makes a point every now and then of stating his affinity with Trinity. I suppose he can't appear to be too partisan to a particular club when he edits a generic RL paper, Wildthing. He certainly seems to have swallowed the WMDC/88M point of view though.
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| Whilst this might not have any real legs... the purpose is to divert attention and funds away from the real issue.. taking the council to court for their failure to meet the conditions of the Section 106 and the SOS ruling...
The longer the assailants keep the danger people (MC and CB) tied up and unfocused the less chance they have of inflicting damage to Box and the council. This really is a war and will soon need mobilisation of troops!
It's going to be soon time to fight for your club
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| Quote ="Redscat"Having read the editorial by long-time Trinity supporter and League Express editor Martyn Sadler, I can only think that he is either one (or all of) the following: toeing the establishment line and placing his empathies with Box, Jeffreys and 88M; Just plain gullible or totally ignorant of the previous history surrounding the whole Newmarket/Belle Vue saga.
Come on, Martyn, a bit more research before you publish articles please.'"
I thought it poor ill informed and aimed at damaging the club... and I don't know why?
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| Quote ="spookDU2018"I thought it poor ill informed and aimed at damaging the club... and I don't know why?'"
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| If he has lied and printed adverse and biased material negative to Trinity, we should all buy League Weekly. It's a small paper and he would not welcome loss in circulation.
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| Not seen it myself but it sounds like the report in league weekly was of a similar ilk to the one in league express.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Not seen it myself but it sounds like the report in league weekly was of a similar ilk to the one in league express.'"
League weekly just include quote from Denise Jeffrey and say MC will be speaking with lawyers before making a statement. Sadler makes ill informed comment despite enough evidence to the contrary been out there if he could have been bothered to look. If he has an affinity for Wakey he keeps it well hidden
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| Quote ="Manuel"If he has lied and printed adverse and biased material negative to Trinity, we should all buy League Weekly. It's a small paper and he would not welcome loss in circulation.'"
Sadly that magazine is awful... I buy it but it take 2 mins to read and I nothing new out of it ... the editorial is Narcissistic and bias.. and it's news is nothing better than made up!
We have to convince Sadler that he is wrong ... we have to get the popular press on the case and any government body who will listen...
Mark my words we have threatened Box's empire and he will stop at nothing until the owners and the club have been eliminated ... that's what he does!
And I believe he will do everything in his power to ensure that happens!
But he is banking on the probability that people won't care enough to get out from behind their keyboards and challenge him!
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| I think he has been a Trinity supporter since he was a lad, Tricky, but as Wildthing states, his allegiances may not be quite as strong these days.
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| Quote ="Redscat"I think he has been a Trinity supporter since he was a lad, Tricky, but as Wildthing states, his allegiances may not be quite as strong these days.'"
But his comments were laughable for a supposed journalist let alone one who is supposed to be a supporter of the club
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"But his comments were laughable for a supposed journalist let alone one who is supposed to be a supporter of the club'"
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| The problem for us is, being right isn't enough to win the battle.
It's no good saying the journalists should research. We need to give them something to write about.
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| Quote ="PopTart"
It's no good saying the journalists should research.'"
Surely a good journalist would do research though?
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| Quote ="PopTart"The problem for us is, being right isn't enough to win the battle.
It's no good saying the journalists should research. We need to give them something to write about.'"
Agreed. It’s like when you watch a police tv programme and the person they are interviewing continually says ‘no comment’. You immediately tend to think they’re guilty, whether they are or not. Adverse inference i think it’s called. It never looks good to the outside world whether it is the sensible move or not.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Surely a good journalist would do research though?
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Not really in this case. It’s an editorial piece rather than a investigative one so he can only comment on what is in the public domain and then add an opinion to that. In this case all the talk so far has been from one side with no reply. The key is what, if anything, comes from him when the club makes a statement.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Surely a good journalist would do research though?
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My point is Sadler wants to sell news papers. If he spent time researching he might get a better story and sell more but it takes effort and he has easier stories. He can't take forum facts. He risks being sued.
We on the other hand have an interest in getting the truth out there. We can use him to do it. It wouldn't be hard for us to give him some headlines.
Expecting him to do the work is like expecting your boss to give you a pay rise because you do a good job. Even though you are right it's not in his interest unless you go tell him why.
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| Quote ="PopTart"My point is Sadler wants to sell news papers. If he spent time researching he might get a better story and sell more but it takes effort and he has easier stories. He can't take forum facts. He risks being sued.
We on the other hand have an interest in getting the truth out there. We can use him to do it. It wouldn't be hard for us to give him some headlines.
Expecting him to do the work is like expecting your boss to give you a pay rise because you do a good job. Even though you are right it's not in his interest unless you go tell him why.'"
Because he looks a fool printing opinions that are clearly at odds with what is in the public domain if he chose to keep abreast of developments.
Given his alleged allegiance to Trinity you would think the above would count even more so.
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| On the subject of the op?
I have worked on many commercial leases, and I can't for the life of me understand how 88M can impose a £400k dilapidation clause unless all the terms and conditions from the original lease that he took over when purchasing the land from BOI stated that the ground would have to be brought up to a certain standard other than the state and purpose it was in at the time of purchase. As a tennant with a "maintenece clause" already in place, if WT had not being keeping the ground up to standards then they'd would be in breech of contract and been given notice to leave, doesn't appear to be the case so can't see this figure being anything like £400k in real terms, the only thing that the club couldn't be charged for would be the Benidorm flats at they are not "original fixtures and fittings" all the other stands have had a certain amount of "improvements" from original state in the last 130 years
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