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| Quote ="TRB"Perhaps you've just answered your own question!'"
Well if you know something to the contrary then you better spill the beans because as we stand whilst ever Elston remains the chance of raising anywhere near the funds required from fans and local businesses is zero.
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| Same old same old.....insinuations from those supposed to be in the know . There are thousands of faithful supporters who have years of watching Wakefield behind that deserve to know whats going off.
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| Is everyone mental on here ? of course its Elston's fault, FFS, he was CEO, and with responsibility comes accountability, its cruel, but true, plus Glover was at the Club everyday, so he himself was more like a General Manager than a Chairman, which makes this situation even more incompetent, they are both equally to blame, Glover's only defence is naivety, and as Mopsey said, none of them down there can be trusted, or believed, and all they have done over 18 months is pay no one, and destroy the chance of a clean slate through pure and simple arrogance, and INCOMPETANCE, its appalling.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"I've had enough. Tomorrow will be my last game as it stands now. Got a season ticket for next year but I can't be bothered. Ted: kept us going years but ultimately put family first towards end of tenure. Glover: promised so much started to deliver then ultimately failed big time not keeping an eye on things. Carter: sold smith which admittedly was a must. Said he'd try to raise funds before selling anymore player but now I hear aiton kirmo and amor have gone. Possibly Collis too. Seems to me like its another one who says one thing but then does the opposite. At least have the decency to tell us your true intentions daddy cool, if you want a fire sale to raise funds then fair dos but tell us that. I can't see Tuson coming now and I can't blame him. What next are we accepting a parachute payment to go down at the end of the season (which is what I've heard we've been offered) if so that really could spell the end for wtw. It's been emotional and today is a sad day but I have lost all faith and belief in this once great club. As for elston. Twice he's been in place as CEO and twice we've been on the brink of collapse. He may well have saved the club but he's also nearly bankrupted us twice so for me he has got go and go completely.'"
WOW! 'I've heard a rumour - that's it, I'm off!'
Come on people, we've heard a million rumours and some are true - most are not.
James is back doing what he's best at - namely raising funds through bringing in investors and sponsors and via the community work and, more recently, the college stuff. He's the best man for that job and almost everything we have that is good is down to him to some degree.
To leave him as was would be wrong, to throw him out would also be wrong. The Chairman knows this and that is his call. If we don't trust the Chairman in this then what do we trust him in - and if that is the case why bother to try and save / rescue the club, let's just all forget it and walk away!
Being angry is natural, but how many of us get angry, kick off, then find out something that we didn't know which explains things differently and we feel foolish for doing so?
James was CEO under Ted, but not for very long and we were in a state before he took over. In that time he brought Andrew to the table - and he has put a significant amount into the club. Since the takeover James has been instrumental in bringing the current board members to the table - hence we have people in place to pick up and run with it.
As for player departures and fire sales - I believe Michael when he says he doesn't want to sell, but ask which of the players have asked to leave - and on that basis, and with transfer fees on the table that can assist the club going forward, why would you not allow a deal to go through? It's a tough call either way and whilst it may appease us to keep a certain player, it may leave that player very unhappy!
In essence, kick-off if you like, but I think you are premature and without full knowledge - as most of us are just now - and any judgement you make should reflect that.
No-one is happy with the situation, some of us are trying to help matters and we need you, when you have calmed down, and many more passionate fans like you with us!
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| Quote ="deeHell"There is no putting this problem to one side. The bad feeling towards Elston is at the point were his presence at the club will be a major factor in fans not buying a season ticket.
The guy went on radio and blatantly lied to us all. He made a complete fool of everybody connected to the club. The spin was clearly an attempt to boost ST sales before the end of August deadline. If had any integrity he would resign with immediate effect.'"
What if he believed he was telling the truth when he gave the interview.
All I'm saying is judge him when you know all the facts and if you come to the same conclusion that's fine. But you will have at least made up your mind in the knowledge of the facts.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Trb I respect your opinion but I just cannot see how elston has no blame in this sorry mess'"
I'm not his wing man, and I think many have made mistakes, but there are also things that James is better than anyone else at and I think it would be a mistake to lose those values from our club.
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| If you don't come to the games next season Kev you owe me. I'll be very surprised if you aren't there. I think we will have a shell of a team next year but it will be our team and a team that we can afford. Have upgraded to platinum today and wait to see what is said at the ST meeting before considering if I can give anymore to the cause WTID
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"What if he believed he was telling the truth when he gave the interview.
All I'm saying is judge him when you know all the facts and if you come to the same conclusion that's fine. But you will have at least made up your mind in the knowledge of the facts.'"
If he believed the truth then he is very naive
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| There are people who can forgive and there are others who can't.
The dilemma is there are a lot of fans and investors out there who will not entertain Trin while certain individuals are at the club.
Does the club sacrifice the individuals for the masses?
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| Quote ="TRB"WOW! 'I've heard a rumour - that's it, I'm off!'
Come on people, we've heard a million rumours and some are true - most are not.
James is back doing what he's best at - namely raising funds through bringing in investors and sponsors and via the community work and, more recently, the college stuff. He's the best man for that job and almost everything we have that is good is down to him to some degree.
To leave him as was would be wrong, to throw him out would also be wrong. The Chairman knows this and that is his call. If we don't trust the Chairman in this then what do we trust him in - and if that is the case why bother to try and save / rescue the club, let's just all forget it and walk away!
Being angry is natural, but how many of us get angry, kick off, then find out something that we didn't know which explains things differently and we feel foolish for doing so?
James was CEO under Ted, but not for very long and we were in a state before he took over. In that time he brought Andrew to the table - and he has put a significant amount into the club. Since the takeover James has been instrumental in bringing the current board members to the table - hence we have people in place to pick up and run with it.
As for player departures and fire sales - I believe Michael when he says he doesn't want to sell, but ask which of the players have asked to leave - and on that basis, and with transfer fees on the table that can assist the club going forward, why would you not allow a deal to go through? It's a tough call either way and whilst it may appease us to keep a certain player, it may leave that player very unhappy!
In essence, kick-off if you like, but I think you are premature and without full knowledge - as most of us are just now - and any judgement you make should reflect that.
No-one is happy with the situation, some of us are trying to help matters and we need you, when you have calmed down, and many more passionate fans like you with us!'"
Thought he was been retained for his rugby league knowledge not to do with sponsorship etc.
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| Quote ="Patch cat"If anyone does see him ask why he was not willing to listen to a local multi millionaire owner of a rather large car supermarket based on Denby Dale Rd when he approached offering investment and sponsorship in the club'"
I really hope this is not true.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"I really hope this is not true.
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And also the consortium from the midlands that wanted to come down but he refused to speak to them.
With new investment comes new people and changes, if you are sitting on a nice wage, why would you want to bring in a risk to that job?
In my opinion Elston has his own interest at heart and not those if the club.
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| Quote ="jonh"And also the consortium from the midlands that wanted to come down but he refused to speak to them.
With new investment comes new people and changes, if you are sitting on a nice wage, why would you want to bring in a risk to that job?
In my opinion Elston has his own interest at heart and not those if the club.'"
Who the hell is interested in your opinion.Nobody!
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| Why not? Jonh does have connections with the club. Just cos were all down and gutted doesn't mean we should dismiss someone who isn't a supporter of our club. It's not just wakey fans who get to find things out. For me he's right elston has to go
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"Why not? Jonh does have connections with the club. Just cos were all down and gutted doesn't mean we should dismiss someone who isn't a supporter of our club. It's not just wakey fans who get to find things out. For me he's right elston has to go'"
I am a massive supporter if the club and very very frustrated by the things that I am being told from people at the club.
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| Quote ="Joe Banjo"Who the hell is interested in your opinion.Nobody!'"
Whether you are interested in his opinion or not he is entitled to it and entitled to put it on here.
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| Time for this parasite to go. The sales of Kirmond and Amor the last straw for me. My blood pressure is through the roof. If you read this forum Michael Carter get him and his useless mates out and ill gladly renew my season ticket and support Wakefield whatever division and quality of team. He stays and tomorrow is my last game.
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| It is, of course, possible that JE acted in many instances in the belief that monies would be forthcoming which then, for whatever reason, where not. Which leaves him looking the idiot.
I'm not saying it was this way, but it could have been. I don't know, and I guess the majority of us don't either. From where I'm sitting, he looks in a bad place, and I can't believe we've been lead down this road again so soon after the last calamity. But as Sandal Cat has pointed out, maybe it would be wise to hold fire until we know exactly what went on, if for no other reason than to be fair to any innocent parties caught up in the whole thing.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"It is, of course, possible that JE acted in many instances in the belief that monies would be forthcoming which then, for whatever reason, where not. Which leaves him looking the idiot.
I'm not saying it was this way, but it could have been. I don't know, and I guess the majority of us don't either. From where I'm sitting, he looks in a bad place, and I can't believe we've been lead down this road again so soon after the last calamity. But as Sandal Cat has pointed out, maybe it would be wise to hold fire until we know exactly what went on, if for no other reason than to be fair to any innocent parties caught up in the whole thing.'"
What and stop everyone acting as Judge, Jury and executioner! Some people really need a reality check until the facts (if ever) come into the public domain.
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| Quote ="Dreadnaught"What and stop everyone acting as Judge, Jury and executioner! Some people really need a reality check until the facts (if ever) come into the public domain.'"
They will not they never do, and that is half the problem. Accountability.
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| The facts not coming out are allowing the rumours to perpetuate
If elston isn't to blame lets here why cos as CEO it's difficult to understand how he couldn't be
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| its about time Elston came out with some sort of statement.....silence is deadly.
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| Isn't there a saying....
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
And didn't the Who sing...
Won't Get Fooled Again.
Thats where i'm at. No more chances.
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| Quote ="swones"its about time Elston came out with some sort of statement.....silence is deadly.'"
What's the point. He has been accused of been a lier so why would he say anything when it would just be accused of been a lier and what could he say. Not my fault, just did what I thought was best?
Maybe he's busy trying to do some good and bring in some cash rather then sitting at a computer moanin about the club and poor it is and how everyone in wakefield and his dog could run the club better.
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| It's true we should wait for the facts but unfortunately it's highly likely we'll never know them. This leaves supporters making up their own mind on what facts there are (3 winding up petitions and 15(?) CCJ's) and rumour. I'm not buisness savvy in anyway
but the facts in the public domain suggest a business is in trouble. If Elston didn't know that then he wasn't worthy of his title.
He has indeed been removed from that position and if people who have the best intentions of the best club at heart are happy with him remaining in a role more suited to his skill set I can live with that.
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