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| The lads were obviously playing against a better side on the night, but credit to them they stuck at it, and until they made a spate of errors mid second half, they were still in with a shout.(although they never looked like winning).Need to have some sort of strategy with the kicking, not just kicking straight into FB's hands every time.They also learnt a harsh lesson tonight,(again!),you'll never win games with an error count like that, you've got to build pressure!
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| Same old, same old. At least three forward pass infringements. Last clutch of straw slipped away by a typical Lyne brain-fart and that crazy 5th tackle run from acting half by Smith within our 20m.
That drop to the ground with his head in his hands by Pitts when he throws those gift interception passes reminds me of Scott Grix dropping down on his knees and thumping the ground following his errors. Patent Pending.
Thank God we didn't have to face Leigh with Jack Smith wearing leopard skin under wear tonight.
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| Just watched the TJ try where Lineham went for intercept. Clearly a forward pass, amazes me how not one of wakeys 3 marginal forwards got missed yet that one wasn’t picked up by the officials. I can’t wait to see the highlights. Looks like 2/3 of the Catalan try’s had questions on them.
For the actual game. I’m disappointed but not too down.
I said a few days ago Catalans would attack us on the edges and they did just that. Our edge and kick defence needs some work.
I thought in the middle we were mostly equal to Catalans. There were no line breaks I saw certainly down the middle. Defence overall was good. Certainly something to tidy up on the edges though.
We had a 10 minute spell where we gave the game away. Starting with Lyne running out towards touchline on 1st tackle. Then a few forward passes, knock on and getting caught on the last. It’s such a shame that we weren’t smarter thst period in second half.
I think the in field kicking needs to be better too.
I thought Grant was inconsistent in his reffing and use of six agains. It was infuriating the amount of wrestling that was happening.
Prime example - Whitbread landing fast on his front tried to get up 3 times to be held down and no six again. Yet late in thst second half a Catalan player landed on front close to line and tried to get up (soon as he got down) and ref couldn’t wait to wave his hands for six again. I absolutely hate that rule, it’s so inconsistent and just makes the referees look bias. The sooner they scrap it the better. I won’t get started on the offsides.
Regardless though we need to be smarter. I don’t think it’s cause for concern just yet. Thought we were mostly a match for Catalans. Just need to make some small improvements.
That right edge needs addressing though.
What’s up with that pitch? Doesn’t bode well for us having to play on it numerous times. Is there an issue with it?
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| Thought it was a game we could win … but probably wouldn’t…bit disappointed but not downhearted…
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"If Tafua can't show enough form to get picked ahead of Lineham or Kershaw, then we should be asking why have we brought him over (presumably on a decent wage) just to sit on the side lines. Pointless signing or a player out of form, I wonder which it is ?'"
Hard to show form in 3/4 games that he’s played since he’s been here. 164 games and 88 tries in a far tougher comp for the Sea Eagles says to me he’s a good un , but not mash’s signing so who know why .
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| Just had the chance to watch our supposed nearest competitors Leigh against Salford ,and a far more composed game from them was on show , slick passing and plenty of attacking shapes thrown at Salford ,but mistakes at crucial times proved costly , ultimately losing to a superior side , but that’s where we need to be sooner rather than later if we are to prove the pundits wrong
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| I’m a little surprised by the levels of negativity on here.
Looking at their tries in the first half 2 had forward passes in them, not just line balls but significant forward passes.
Obviously Murphy should have done much better with the try resulting from the kick (ignoring the forward pass in the build up) and if the video ref is there I’m not sure the Catalans try stands that TJ catches and then the ball spills out over the line.
We started the second period well and after conceding did well to get field position to score ourselves and at that point I think there were 2 points in it and we had the momentum.
The Catalans fullback drops the ball and we are in their 40 with 6 tackles and have the ability to attack and build pressure. Lynn runs into touch on tackle 1 and we then have a nightmare 15 minute spell where we lose the game compounding error after error, think it ended up being 5 errors in a row and as a result of that period the game is gone.
Is it disappointing to lose, obviously, but was the performance as bad as some are making out? Absolutely not in my opinion.
I think in spells we showed some nice attacking play/shapes and made some good meters ball in hand. We just failed to do that consistently and that 15 minute spell absolutely killed us.
My main area of concern was we seemed to get bullied in the clash of the middles, and Smith was off the pace at 9.
Most of the issues can be fixed up relatively easily as the season progresses so whilst I’m disappointed I’m optimistic there were more good signs than bad.
My expectation prior to kick off was we will be fighting for our SL survival this year but I saw signs we are in with a chance of winning that fight.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"If Tafua can't show enough form to get picked ahead of Lineham or Kershaw, then we should be asking why have we brought him over (presumably on a decent wage) just to sit on the side lines. Pointless signing or a player out of form, I wonder which it is ?'"
I went to the Hull friendly. One arm had a support on his forearm and he looked unable to tackle properly. I suspect he's injured and they didn't want to risk that injury till he's able to give 100%
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Hard to show form in 3/4 games that he’s played since he’s been here. 164 games and 88 tries in a far tougher comp for the Sea Eagles says to me he’s a good un , but not mash’s signing so who know why .'"
He had an arm support on v Hull and looked impaired. Suspect injury is why Taufua didn't play
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| Quote ="jonh"I’m a little surprised by the levels of negativity on here.
Looking at their tries in the first half 2 had forward passes in them, not just line balls but significant forward passes.
Obviously Murphy should have done much better with the try resulting from the kick (ignoring the forward pass in the build up) and if the video ref is there I’m not sure the Catalans try stands that TJ catches and then the ball spills out over the line.
We started the second period well and after conceding did well to get field position to score ourselves and at that point I think there were 2 points in it and we had the momentum.
The Catalans fullback drops the ball and we are in their 40 with 6 tackles and have the ability to attack and build pressure. Lynn runs into touch on tackle 1 and we then have a nightmare 15 minute spell where we lose the game compounding error after error, think it ended up being 5 errors in a row and as a result of that period the game is gone.
Is it disappointing to lose, obviously, but was the performance as bad as some are making out? Absolutely not in my opinion.
I think in spells we showed some nice attacking play/shapes and made some good meters ball in hand. We just failed to do that consistently and that 15 minute spell absolutely killed us.
My main area of concern was we seemed to get bullied in the clash of the middles, and Smith was off the pace at 9.
Most of the issues can be fixed up relatively easily as the season progresses so whilst I’m disappointed I’m optimistic there were more good signs than bad.
My expectation prior to kick off was we will be fighting for our SL survival this year but I saw signs we are in with a chance of winning that fight.'"
Catalan had 1/3 of their starting 13 missing including both halves, fullback, starting prop and second rower. If we are to survive we simply need to be winning these games. Our kicking game is what concerned me most, they just rolled us up field while we struggled to make the 35m.
We were up against the best wing combination in the league and they really punished us outside, as they will a lot of teams. Nearly every time we had sets on their line we scored, which is very promising, but we didn’t allow ourselves the field position to be in their 20 often enough, which to me was a result from kicking it down the fullbacks throat time after time allowing them to start on their 30 pretty much every set. Sloppy individual errors and at times inconstant referee compounded this.
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| It was disappointing but not horrendous.
We are going to have to defend against kicks, and cut out the silly unforced errors.
I saw enough last night to think we can survive this season, but we won't be challenging for the playoffs!
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| Quote ="jonh"I’m a little surprised by the levels of negativity on here.
Looking at their tries in the first half 2 had forward passes in them, not just line balls but significant forward passes.
Obviously Murphy should have done much better with the try resulting from the kick (ignoring the forward pass in the build up) and if the video ref is there I’m not sure the Catalans try stands that TJ catches and then the ball spills out over the line.
We started the second period well and after conceding did well to get field position to score ourselves and at that point I think there were 2 points in it and we had the momentum.
The Catalans fullback drops the ball and we are in their 40 with 6 tackles and have the ability to attack and build pressure. Lynn runs into touch on tackle 1 and we then have a nightmare 15 minute spell where we lose the game compounding error after error, think it ended up being 5 errors in a row and as a result of that period the game is gone.
Is it disappointing to lose, obviously, but was the performance as bad as some are making out? Absolutely not in my opinion.
I think in spells we showed some nice attacking play/shapes and made some good meters ball in hand. We just failed to do that consistently and that 15 minute spell absolutely killed us.
My main area of concern was we seemed to get bullied in the clash of the middles, and Smith was off the pace at 9.
Most of the issues can be fixed up relatively easily as the season progresses so whilst I’m disappointed I’m optimistic there were more good signs than bad.
My expectation prior to kick off was we will be fighting for our SL survival this year but I saw signs we are in with a chance of winning that fight.'"
I thought we missed Liam Hood. We were poor around the ruck all night.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"If Tafua can't show enough form to get picked ahead of Lineham or Kershaw, then we should be asking why have we brought him over (presumably on a decent wage) just to sit on the side lines. Pointless signing or a player out of form, I wonder which it is ?'"
Taufua is too heavy IMO. He looked lost in the friendlies that he played and basically like he didn’t want to be there.
Maybe thats why Lineham is getting picked.
And remember there are many Fev fans who will tell you that Lineham wasn’t even championship last year…
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| Quote ="jonh"I’m a little surprised by the levels of negativity on here.
Looking at their tries in the first half 2 had forward passes in them, not just line balls but significant forward passes.
Obviously Murphy should have done much better with the try resulting from the kick (ignoring the forward pass in the build up) and if the video ref is there I’m not sure the Catalans try stands that TJ catches and then the ball spills out over the line.
We started the second period well and after conceding did well to get field position to score ourselves and at that point I think there were 2 points in it and we had the momentum.
The Catalans fullback drops the ball and we are in their 40 with 6 tackles and have the ability to attack and build pressure. Lynn runs into touch on tackle 1 and we then have a nightmare 15 minute spell where we lose the game compounding error after error, think it ended up being 5 errors in a row and as a result of that period the game is gone.
Is it disappointing to lose, obviously, but was the performance as bad as some are making out? Absolutely not in my opinion.
I think in spells we showed some nice attacking play/shapes and made some good meters ball in hand. We just failed to do that consistently and that 15 minute spell absolutely killed us.
My main area of concern was we seemed to get bullied in the clash of the middles, and Smith was off the pace at 9.
Most of the issues can be fixed up relatively easily as the season progresses so whilst I’m disappointed I’m optimistic there were more good signs than bad.
My expectation prior to kick off was we will be fighting for our SL survival this year but I saw signs we are in with a chance of winning that fight.'"
Mentioning Smith at 9, I'd like to see Smith get a chance in the halves. I know Hood is injured, but we also have Bowes and Kaye. I know it was only a friendly, against what was mainly a Leeds reserves, but when he moved from hooker to half back, we looked a totally different side
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Mentioning Smith at 9, I'd like to see Smith get a chance in the halves. I know Hood is injured, but we also have Bowes and Kaye. I know it was only a friendly, against what was mainly a Leeds reserves, but when he moved from hooker to half back, we looked a totally different side'"
Smith may have a chance this week. I feel that Lino may get a ban for what happened after we had scored, the Catalan player kicked the ball away, stopping Max getting it, whilst Lino had a go at the player.
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| Major area of concern for me is the pedestrian distribution and forward passes from hooker, smith tried but isn’t a hooker kaye is good when running from dummy half but is absolutely not a hooker, fill in yes but go to no, as his passing has a slight delay which then led to a couple of forward passes and any quick play the ball is lost.
Distribution seems pedestrian across the pitch too many players can’t/won’t pass and kills any play/momentum been wingers must be incredibly frustrating in this team as you only get the ball in impossible situations or running it back out after a kick return.
Kick off was poor same kick off inviting a 20m start every time allowing the first runner loads of time to wind up to running on to the ball
Turning point of the game as said was Lyne running in to touch from the middle of the field not once did he seem to look to pass and just coughed up possession ultimately killing the momentum we had. Golden chance to win ultimately poor on field choices cost us.
For all the bashing Lineham seems to get, thought he made himself busy of course having Johnstone to deal with was always going to be a no win for him but he showed effort in attack
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Mentioning Smith at 9, I'd like to see Smith get a chance in the halves. I know Hood is injured, but we also have Bowes and Kaye. I know it was only a friendly, against what was mainly a Leeds reserves, but when he moved from hooker to half back, we looked a totally different side'"
Bowes is currently injured but once him and hood are fit they need to be the hookers
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| Got to be as a combination one of the most clueless slowes spines we have had for a long time.The only way we seemed to make ground was by kicking on the last ,35 \40 yards away from our try line.Weather it was with ball in hand or passing through hands every thing was so slow resulting in not been able to make space to get our three-quarters away (did the wingers get a pass) and making it easy to defend against..The three-quarters looke big but do not seem fast enough to get across in defence to cover Think we have a team of tackeles but offer very little in attack from long range .We had some players out but nothing to improve our attack .School boy howlers cost us big time but just covers over a team that are going to struggle this year
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| Quote ="alegend"Got to be as a combination one of the most clueless slowes spines we have had for a long time.The only way we seemed to make ground was by kicking on the last ,35 \40 yards away from our try line.Weather it was with ball in hand or passing through hands every thing was so slow resulting in not been able to make space to get our three-quarters away (did the wingers get a pass) and making it easy to defend against..The three-quarters looke big but do not seem fast enough to get across in defence to cover Think we have a team of tackeles but offer very little in attack from long range .We had some players out but nothing to improve our attack .School boy howlers cost us big time but just covers over a team that are going to struggle this year'"
Well their first try was a gift it should have been cleared by they got lucky. TJ's second try was dubious to me but given.
We had chances to win it but let's be fair they were quicker, more organised, and deserved to win.
We HAVE to get smarter.
You have to play players to see what they can do and my personal opinion, after last night is that Smith is a half back, Gaskell is more of a centre than a SO and Kershaw should replace Lineham. I'm not blaming Lineham for TJ's tries but I feel Kershaw offers more in taking the ball up than Lineham did last night.
It's the first match but there will have to be a drastic improvement if were not to get a good hiding at Wigan.
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| Trinity competed well for most of the game and lost the game for 2 reasons.
Too many individual errors early in the tackle count and, unfortunately, they had Tom Johnstone, who proved to be the difference.
(although he did look to have dropped the ball for one of his three tries).
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| Quote ="1315trinity"Well their first try was a gift it should have been cleared by they got lucky. TJ's second try was dubious to me but given.
We had chances to win it but let's be fair they were quicker, more organised, and deserved to win.
We HAVE to get smarter.
You have to play players to see what they can do and my personal opinion, after last night is that Smith is a half back, Gaskell is more of a centre than a SO and Kershaw should replace Lineham. I'm not blaming Lineham for TJ's tries but I feel Kershaw offers more in taking the ball up than Lineham did last night.
It's the first match but there will have to be a drastic improvement if were not to get a good hiding at Wigan.'"
I think you are being a bit harsh on Lineham there..
His work rate was phenomenal last night.
I'm still not sure about Langi at centre.
Hall and Murphy are an excellent pairing at centre and wing, both in attack and defence.
Langi maybe should be used as an impact player ?
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| Quote ="Wildcat_1"Major area of concern for me is the pedestrian distribution and forward passes from hooker, smith tried but isn’t a hooker kaye is good when running from dummy half but is absolutely not a hooker, fill in yes but go to no, as his passing has a slight delay which then led to a couple of forward passes and any quick play the ball is lost.
Distribution seems pedestrian across the pitch too many players can’t/won’t pass and kills any play/momentum been wingers must be incredibly frustrating in this team as you only get the ball in impossible situations or running it back out after a kick return.
Kick off was poor same kick off inviting a 20m start every time allowing the first runner loads of time to wind up to running on to the ball
Turning point of the game as said was Lyne running in to touch from the middle of the field not once did he seem to look to pass and just coughed up possession ultimately killing the momentum we had. Golden chance to win ultimately poor on field choices cost us.
For all the bashing Lineham seems to get, thought he made himself busy of course having Johnstone to deal with was always going to be a no win for him but he showed effort in attack'"
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I think you are being a bit harsh on Lineham there..
His work rate was phenomenal last night.
I'm still not sure about Langi at centre.
Hall and Murphy are an excellent pairing at centre and wing, both in attack and defence.
Langi maybe should be used as an impact player ?'"
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| Quote ="Luppylad"Thought langi was a level up on lynne myself,dont know whats up with lynne to be honest'"
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