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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"Listen to yourself man.......NOT VALID OPINIONS!!
How would you like this building outside your house?? how would you like your house to drop 30% in value when you had worked all your life to pay for it? this is real life fella not just a bloody sport!!
I am astonished by what you have written!!'"
Dropped 30% in value against what exactly??
If they have worked all their life to pay for it -- so say 40 years working life,they purchased the house in 1970 ish.They will still have a nice tidy profit dont you think?
Anyhow thats the chance you take buying property,values can down as well as up.
Nobody forced them to buy,they could have rented a nice 3 bedroom semi on Eastmoor and never had such worries about how much value their home will increase or decrease by.
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"And of course......it is only the Opinion of Wakefield fans that they should have a Stadium provided for them ... Not the law of the land, but you do seem to think that this is not the case, yet you seem to feel you exist an a higher moral plain to the poor people of Methley whom this directly affects.'"
You mean the people in Methley who live between 2.5 and 3 miles away from the site and once again the SoS has dismissed those objections already as being not-credible. He does not think it directly effects them so why do you think it does.
BTW I can't make a moral objection never mind a higher moral one... it is on the list.. look!
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| Quote ="The Clan"what's that got to do with the price of cabbages?'"
Merely pointing out that you don't give a chuff about people losing money on their houses which i find astonishing but you expect EVERYONE to care about you not having a Stadium and feel you have the right to one.
well people have a right to not expect to lose money on something they have invested in all their lives !!
But of course you are so one eyed you cannot even see that!!
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"Are you threatening me or something???? lol!!'"
No actually it was serious and sincere invite... and of course everyone knows who I am and I have the conviction to stand at the front of the room and present my opinion... as opposed to posting under an alias on a message board! But hey ho!
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Dropped 30% in value against what exactly??
If they have worked all their life to pay for it -- so say 40 years working life,they purchased the house in 1970 ish.They will still have a nice tidy profit dont you think?
Anyhow thats the chance you take buying property,values can down as well as up.
Nobody forced them to buy,they could have rented a nice 3 bedroom semi on Eastmoor and never had such worries about how much value their home will increase or decrease by.'"
And what the hell has that got to do with you....what people do in terms of life changing decisions about where they decide to live?? THE ARROGANCE!!
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"well people have a right to not expect to lose money on something they have invested in all their lives'"
Actually they don't.
That is all; carry on with your demented ranting.
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"And what the hell has that got to do with you....what people do in terms of life changing decisions about where they decide to live?? THE ARROGANCE!!'"
look you selling up or what?
is it a nice house though? or have you banged your head against the wall so many times as to create some structural problems.
whats the view like? does it have windows or merely bars?
god and how paranoid are you cant remember last time someone threatened anyone with a bottle of vintage champers!
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"Merely pointing out that you don't give a chuff about people losing money on their houses which i find astonishing but you expect EVERYONE to care about you not having a Stadium and feel you have the right to one.
well people have a right to not expect to lose money on something they have invested in all their lives !!
But of course you are so one eyed you cannot even see that!!'"
Even though this argument doesn't count the FACT (as you like to write) is that most development, including B8 development has little or no long term impact on surrounding property values. Prevailing property values are mainly dictated by the wider local market and less so by the immediate location of the property to other development. As the Newmarket Lane Residents will be put on an almost 'private' roads and they are surrounded by existing landscaping (in the main) and new landscaping where applicable I think a long term hit on the value of their houses is very low.
Short term however, a large impact, so if you don't need to move, stick it out and move in three years... by which time the market will be better (hopefully) anyway.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Leeds is rumoured to be £2m + not sure about yours, but suspect it is larger than a £1m as it dates back to early in the new century and your glory days!
Leeds are taking this one on because of a potential legal discrimination issue that HMRC may have fallen in to! HMRC have done a deal with the RU (on-mass) and RL want the same deal (of 15% and it would reduce the bill significantly) but the HMRC are saying that RL players don't have an 'image' like football or RU players (sounds like a London based assessment) so all image payments in RL where illegal! Leeds have an excellent and strong case that they are taking to a test case at the High Court as they own an RU and an RL club! First, how is it legal for HMRC to tax the same business differently, you want less tax here but more tax there and yet these blokes do almost the same job for the company... play Rugby! Second, we can prove that our RL players have a significantly more prominent 'image' in our primary location of operation... Leeds and the whole of the surrounding area! So your argument is is fact a load of balls (which we all of course know it is!) anyway!'"
Not that IA needs my endorsement, but these are the facts pretty much exactly as I was told them some months ago, by someone involved in the legal process. I seem to recall referencing them several times recently, when warning smug gloaters from other clubs about the dangers of hubris.
Having said that, it has no bearing on WTW's situation; the legal process might put several other clubs in the same position as ours, but it won't rescue us; either way, at this moment in time, we're screwed.
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Wrong.
I always post under the user name Rugby ball. And as I said before Christmas I will not be commenting until after the public enquiry. And to be honest you do not need people to spell the real situation out to you any more the reality is slowly filtering through.
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| the BOD have got us in this mess, they say they care so stuff them. dont believe what they say, youll get fleeced. let mr caring ted and the bod sort it , hes ruined this club. dont give them another penny, they have had enough. why dont you ask ted to buy the shares you have got. only the odd few believed me but I TOLD YOU SO. if you want to lose your hard earned cash, the way to do it is put it into trin. some of you lot need a rocket up your . begging bowl out get stuffed TED.
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| Quote ="champagnecharlie"And what the hell has that got to do with you....what people do in terms of life changing decisions about where they decide to live?? THE ARROGANCE!!'"
You brought it up!!!!!!!!!!!! - about them losing value.
Now you dont like the reply - Ah diddums!!!!!
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Careful Rugbyball, I resemble that remark about being TRB's side-kick!
Newmarket has no chance of being built eh! Well once again Rugbyball you just proffer your opinion (which you are entitled to do) but don't make even the slightest debatable or factual point on how you reach your conclusion.
You may well be right about the current application failing (which I still doubt) but one fact appears to be becoming ever clearer about the 33ha of the Newmarket Colliery site and you seem to be ignoring this fact... it looks likely to be taken out of Green-belt by March 2012 and re-designated as for B8 (distribution & storage) use. So someone is going to build warehouse on it in the near future, if not Yorkcourt!
As for your, we don't need any more warehouse space line, once again that is just YOUR opinion isn't it! Central Government, Wakefield Council & Regional Government disagree with you and agree with me... what about the 95ha additional land for B8 development on the M62 corridor that they asked Wakefield to provide for and is now a legal requirement of the IN FORCE LDF Core Strategy? A minimum of 33ha of that space (the largest of four sites... all currently in Green-belt!) is currently proposed to be at Newmarket! Now of course if the actual develop a larger amount of B8 space at Newmarket that saves Green-belt in another location and the LDF requirement met along with community sports facilities, which are also required under the LDF.
If not someone can just build on the 33ha at Newmarket and then also use the other 3 sites. That would of course mean that the residents of Newmarket Lane would 'actually' get HGV's running past their front doors instead of on a new road remote of their houses, that would be required to serve a larger development... hey, if they are lucky they might resurface it and widen it a little!
We of course (and the Wildcats, and Wakefield College) would get bugger all... sounds like a great idea!
As for the decision to take this to a local INQUIRY (I have told you before, it is not enquiry) I was and remain surprised by the lack of joined up government (but, we are not very good at this, so maybe I should not be). I think the SoS office is going to come out of the forth coming process looking rather silly if they are not careful... I can imagine the conversation now -
So why do you want to more build warehouses anyway?
You told us we had to?
Did we really, ah, ok, so why on this site then?
Because it is former industrial land and next to the M62?
Yes, but is Green-belt!
Well no, it probably won't be from March 2012, as another department in your office agrees with us that is should no longer be Green-belt!
Why's that then?
Because you told us to make more space available for warehouse?
Did we? Oh yes, you just mentioned that!
Is there not any better sites then?
Errr, no, otherwise we would have picked those instead wouldn't we!!!!
Ah, ok, well in that case....
.... to be concluded!'"
Wrong again, I am quite happy posting under the rugbyball screen name, stop being so paranoid. It could be amberbelly or what ever his name was I can assure you its not me. Get a mod to check if you like.
I was not going to comment but just to make a distinction for the purpose of clarification. I am with you on the fact that house prices and other complaints of some of the locals will not get a look in at the PI , they will be more interested in planning law, particularly the areas they have asked for clarification on. The fact is at the moment the scheme does not stack up with current legislation, and the enquiry will be to determined if it the project carries enough positives to allow for departure from these laws.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"the BOD have got us in this mess, they say they care so stuff them. dont believe what they say, youll get fleeced. let mr caring ted and the bod sort it , hes ruined this club. dont give them another penny, they have had enough. why dont you ask ted to buy the shares you have got. only the odd few believed me but I TOLD YOU SO. if you want to lose your hard earned cash, the way to do it is put it into trin. some of you lot need a rocket up your
. begging bowl out get stuffed TED.'"
Why do you post on here?? go to matches?? why do you bother at all??
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| Quote ="bren2k"You're suggesting that the steady decline of WTW is due to immigration?! Maybe we should take out an advert in the BNP newsletter?
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course some of it is due to immigration, they have no interest in the game,or knowledge. why dont loads of folk from barnsley watch or sheffield, or wales or london. because they were not brought up on rl or have any knowledge of the sport. yes i know weve got a number of barnsley trin fans. do you think eastern europeans or asians are bothered, they live a different life and from different cultures. its called white flight, they move in they move out. its not bnp or racist, to have an opinion.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"course some of it is due to immigration, they have no interest in the game,or knowledge. why dont loads of folk from barnsley watch or sheffield, or wales or london. because they were not brought up on rl or have any knowledge of the sport. yes i know weve got a number of barnsley trin fans. do you think eastern europeans or asians are bothered, they live a different life and from different cultures. its called white flight, they move in they move out. its not bnp or racist, to have an opinion.'"
You are Nick Griffin, and I claim my £5, which I'd like to donate to the Polish community centre in Agbrigg.
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| Quote ="bren2k"You are Nick Griffin, and I claim my £5, which I'd like to donate to the Polish community centre in Agbrigg.'"
please tell me whats wrong with the post
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"You mean the people in Methley who live between 2.5 and 3 miles away from the site and =#FF0000once again the SoS has dismissed those objections already as being not-credible. He does not think it directly effects them so why do you think it does.'"
Just out of interest - Where is this from?
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| Quote ="braytontiger"a question id be wanting to know would be if the club has got its self into this position despite selling its assets and reducing the wage bill no end how can it afford to continue and continue has a viable business,imo it cant.
the rfl can see this and will also use this as a valid reason for saying wtw cannot function has a full time club.it all looks to be coming to a sorry end and i hope you find investment from somewhere but nobody would invest in something thats going out of business when it can be bought for next to nothing in the near future.
its all very sad tbh'"
It's hard to disagree with that. I think the writing's on the wall as far as our immediate SL future is concerned. I just hope that's where the damage stops.
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| I think everyone has underestimated the damage that licencing can do to those clubs that are in the firing line.
As was shown last night two investors have pulled out at the eleventh hour because of the uncertainty surrounding the clubs SL status.
That will have been repeated accross all aspects of the club including sponsorship, hospitality, player and staff recruitment the net result being an almost irreversable undermining of the clubs stability just when it needed to be at its most secure.
The RFL will know this but it suits them for it to happen.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"It's hard to disagree with that. I think the writing's on the wall as far as our immediate SL future is concerned. I just hope that's where the damage stops.'"
Very hard to disagree.
Would also like re-clariyfying what monies were received for the ground and where that has gone. Was it 50% taken to assist with the debts. So where is the other 50%,
Also the quote from the web-site re; stadium funding clarification 16/12 from Diane 'I am pleased to confirm that the Wakefield and District Community Trust, formed by Sir Rodney Walker in 2008, has already been able to utilise some of this funding source which was first made available by Wakefield Council in 2009'.
What amount of funding has been utilised ?
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| Quote ="allmatt"Just out of interest - Wher is this from?'"
The call in notice, they have determined exactly what they "wish to be informed about for the purposes of his consideration of the application" and in a nutshell it is - does if meet the core strategy in the LDF, is it consistent with government planning policy on sustainability, green-belt, urban regeneration, biodiversity and transport (but it's location and accessibility to reduce car use, not HGV traffic access) and finally recreation space development.
It is the issues that we all knew remained valid objections, which was policy and greenbelt points, but I still think that the majority are met but his opinion is the one that counts.
The recent policy change on car parking spaces to domestic development is sending a new signal about what the Tories (sorry Coalition! ) think of that and similar policy so it comes down to green-belt (specifically countryside encroachment) and biodiversity issues.
The issue that concerns me is that he will reduce the B8 to just the 33 ha which is a 35% reduction and then even though I think he will pass the stadium and sports facilities, will they actual get built if they don't get the full 50 ha for B8?
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