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| Quote ="dboy"Couple of bits that spring to mind...
Powell never felt at home at Wire.
He was tasked with changing the culture of entitlement...told the owners what what that would do...
Players who were told they wouldn't be staying then de-stabilised the squad, caused rifts...
Said he would never do that again.
Powell/Mills said that at Wire, big club, but everything done by committee...at Wakefield = one Boss = Ellis.
Mills said loads of signings, that would excite fans made for next year and that Ellis would like to announce them all now, but (with a few digs a few clubs), we would stick to protocol and announce in due course.
Loads of plans for stadium - Rollin Shack defo done this closed season, wants terrace in front of S/Stand. Planning going in for W/Stand (but didn't really say what).
Changed his mind on N/Stand - originally envisaged concessions at top, but now realises it delivers most demand for spectator numbers, so will maximise terrace.
No point improving back of NS, until the the area can be done as a whole. Would be a waste of money.
Talking to WMDC about developing a training base.
Previous owners misled about what the pitch could handle through winter. They also signed crap deals (Sheff Weds U21s), which Ellis has cancelled.
Has asked WMDC to explain why Cas have been facilitated with a "better" S106" agreement.
Mills - pressured RFL to change interpretation on Rodwell/Uele's UK eligibility.
Rules changed - Rodwell signed next day, despite SL interest. Rodwell honoured his word to the club.
Powell - Rodwell and Uele are SL standard already.
Mills - agents now contact club saying "player x wants to come to you". Previously, no-one wanted to know.'"
Thanks for the info mate..
On the west stand did he give any timescales when planning was being submitted?
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| Quote ="dboy"Couple of bits that spring to mind...
Powell never felt at home at Wire.
He was tasked with changing the culture of entitlement...told the owners what what that would do...
Players who were told they wouldn't be staying then de-stabilised the squad, caused rifts...
Said he would never do that again.
Powell/Mills said that at Wire, big club, but everything done by committee...at Wakefield = one Boss = Ellis.
Mills said loads of signings, that would excite fans made for next year and that Ellis would like to announce them all now, but (with a few digs a few clubs), we would stick to protocol and announce in due course.
Loads of plans for stadium - Rollin Shack defo done this closed season, wants terrace in front of S/Stand. Planning going in for W/Stand (but didn't really say what).
Changed his mind on N/Stand - originally envisaged concessions at top, but now realises it delivers most demand for spectator numbers, so will maximise terrace.
No point improving back of NS, until the the area can be done as a whole. Would be a waste of money.
Talking to WMDC about developing a training base.
Previous owners misled about what the pitch could handle through winter. They also signed crap deals (Sheff Weds U21s), which Ellis has cancelled.
Has asked WMDC to explain why Cas have been facilitated with a "better" S106" agreement.
Mills - pressured RFL to change interpretation on Rodwell/Uele's UK eligibility.
Rules changed - Rodwell signed next day, despite SL interest. Rodwell honoured his word to the club.
Powell - Rodwell and Uele are SL standard already.
Mills - agents now contact club saying "player x wants to come to you". Previously, no-one wanted to know.'"
Think you have covered everything there ,except Mr Ellis saying looking for 9,000 crowds next year and Das saying R L bit shocked about the amount of tickets we want for Wembley and thinks there will be about 10,000 fans going down .Through in the pies, the amount of laughs from what the panel were saying and it as got to be up there with the best forums there as been Came out feeling we are a club going into the big time ,hold I can stick around to enjoy some of the ride
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| Also Matt said he has run the numbers and we could possibly get 15 IMG points if not could be very close.
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| Couple more bits I recall...
Ellis - aiming for top 6 next year.
Also, Ellis said he thinks our IMG score will be 14.5 at the lowest, and potentially as high as 15.2 (but I can't remember if that was a forum discussion or in an off-stage chat with other fans). Hope that wasn't un-sharable info.
I was 6 pints in by then...
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| Daz estimated about 7000 to 7500 tickets sold for Wembley between the shop and the RL website. 24 buses from the club and a further 12 they know of from pubs etc.
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| Quote ="Dannyboywt1"Also Matt said he has run the numbers and we could possibly get 15 IMG points if not could be very close.'"
15 points is A grade ?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"15 points is A grade ?'"
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| If we don't get to 15 I think we will comfortably be in super league and if we finish 6th and start getting over 7.5k fans we will easily be cat A by sounds of it
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| The 7.5k fans score will probably take at least 3 more seasons, certainly 2.
Of course, even longer if the West / Northstand developments hit our capacity.
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| Thanks guys for the summary of the forum, I would have loved to have gone but I couldn't have made it due to reasons beyond my control, Matt Ellis is very savvy, Onwards & upwards, brilliant about trying to gain more img points but be aware Wilkin & London trying to start & steam roller a wave of change to how points or exemptions should be applied now before 2025 !! ??
I do not agree with his points of view & reasons, there is a long way to go yet !
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| They can't change to current rules mid season. If London were to get a free pass clubs would take legal action
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| Quote ="Start@1873"Thanks guys for the summary of the forum, I would have loved to have gone but I couldn't have made it due to reasons beyond my control, Matt Ellis is very savvy, Onwards & upwards, brilliant about trying to gain more img points but be aware Wilkin & London trying to start & steam roller a wave of change to how points or exemptions should be applied now before 2025 !! ??
I do not agree with his points of view & reasons, there is a long way to go yet !'"
Not a worry at all. The format hasn’t even had a full half season yet so talk of any amendment is frankly silly. The only reason that London are trying to get an adaptation is because they don’t meet the 12 benchmark and it’s self interest. Every club from 12th onwards can ask the same but it simply won’t happen. Trinity were talking about no relegation and swapping to 14 last season in our own interests. It’s no different. The video from Broncos basically saying they want changes because they don’t make the 12 is strange to openly admit it. Nobody is winning any politics awards for that one.
Can you imaging if a club (any club) get special treatment or special criteria. It’s got legal action written all over it from the team in 13th and below who misses at expense. It’s entitlement and panic at its finest.
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| Entirely agree with the last two posts, also, John Wilkin has the biggest gob, he also has the sky platform & airing silly views, ie, if & a big if he got his way, who the he'll as an invested & or owner would invest in clubs outside super league if two clubs got exemption, ie London & Toulouse especially his ideas of 3 to 4 yrs ?
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| Got a lovely tour of the dressing rooms and other facilities within the Neil Fox stand. Really enjoyed the night and the news. Also got something confirmed but keeping my Trap shut for now.
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| Remembered another couple of snippets.
We are extending the TV gantry, which also earns extra IMG points.
Powell joked about taking the applause of the Wakey fans after an earlier win, who then started chanting "you Cas ba***rd".
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| Yeah, the Sky Gantry has to be 4m x 4m if I can remember rightly, the Cas owner was on about how they are increasing theirs to get extra points.
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| It's not that it gets us extra points. It's just part of the criteria for the full points for stadium.
I'm surprised it isn't already big enough but it's a simple fix to make sure we guarantee that extra point.
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| Yes, it's not a stand-alone criterion, but it's part of a wider score.
Extending the gantry means we meet a full, "scoring" part of that wider criteria.
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| Quote ="dboy"Remembered another couple of snippets.
We are extending the TV gantry, which also earns extra IMG points.
Powell joked about taking the applause of the Wakey fans after an earlier win, who then started chanting "you Cas ba***rd".'"
Everything Ellis does now will probably be to secure any increase in IMG points guaranteed like the gantry. I suspect we will see the LED boards appear soon so they count on this seasons gradings. Ultimately, if he can spend a few hundred k upfront he should if we get into SL get some of that back with the SL money instead of championship money.
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| Did they give any indication as to the size of squad we are hoping to have next season?
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Everything Ellis does now will probably be to secure any increase in IMG points guaranteed like the gantry. I suspect we will see the LED boards appear soon so they count on this seasons gradings. Ultimately, if he can spend a few hundred k upfront he should if we get into SL get some of that back with the SL money instead of championship money.'"
Yes, the thing is with the LED boards is there isn't really any income to generate by them whilst we aren't on TV and as long as we get them in before October, they count towards our score regardless.
The investment on these are a lot bigger than I expected, I have a friend that works a company that supplies these throughout Europe, apparently for a singular 3m panel they are around 7k, so your looking at circa 230k just for one side of the pitch.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Yes, the thing is with the LED boards is there isn't really any income to generate by them whilst we aren't on TV and as long as we get them in before October, they count towards our score regardless.
The investment on these are a lot bigger than I expected, I have a friend that works a company that supplies these throughout Europe, apparently for a singular 3m panel they are around 7k, so your looking at circa 230k just for one side of the pitch.'"
710k for 3 sides of a pitch does seem incredibly expensive. I’d have anticipated 250k probably for the 3 sides.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"710k for 3 sides of a pitch does seem incredibly expensive. I’d have anticipated 250k probably for the 3 sides.'"
It does, I was thinking the same tbh and that around 250k figure is what I had heard thrown about. I was surprised by the figure. I'm sure Ellis will have done his homework and get food value for money if we are looking at putting them in.
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| I heard from a friend who does lighting and shop banners etc and he reckoned they'd be at least over 100k a side but he'd never done a ground and didn't know exactly the dimensions we need, so was just guessing.
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| 100 metres long for us....but only 68 metres long for Cas
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