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| Quote ="financialtimes"The Environment agency has raised concerns with bot PP's as i understand and 2 of the major customers that were looking to move into the new development next to Jnc 32(Amazon 7 Siemens) have pulled out, so I doubt that one will even get off the ground now, and as one is totally dependant on the other, it looks like neither will happen in the next 24 months, the PP is not being scheduled to be heard again until the November meeting at the earliest. It looks sadly like Cas are in a similar position to what Trinity were with Newmarket and have clearly been dicked around.'"
I'm not sure where you get all this from mate.
Axiom submitted 5 new documents to PP regarding the Glasshoughton site which addressed the concerns on September 14th. They submitted 1 more document on the 15th September for the Jungle development (flood risk) to hopefully be heard at the PP meeting in November. If passed this releases the money immediately to start the ground improvement. We'll have to see I suppose.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"I'm not sure where you get all this from mate.
Axiom submitted 5 new documents to PP regarding the Glasshoughton site which addressed the concerns on September 14th. They submitted 1 more document on the 15th September for the Jungle development (flood risk) to hopefully be heard at the PP meeting in November. If passed this releases the money immediately to start the ground improvement. We'll have to see I suppose.
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Firstly everything I said is fact, at the time of me typing it I was unaware tha 24 hours prior, axiom sent in documents regarding the EA concerns, however, that still doesn’t remove their concerns until they respond at the next scheduled planning meeting. Secondly, the 2 major companies that had originally committed to the JcT32 site have gone elsewhere, this puts some jeopardy in the development, but I agree it isn’t a 100% dealbreaker. Lastly, the funds get released when “Axiom” release them, the only thing that dictates the timing (as stated in the S106 agreement) is that they cannot start on the jct 32 development until they release the fund, so if they don’t want to start on it for 4 years (which I think but not sure is the statutory length of these stand) then they don’t have to release the monies for 4 years HTH
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| Quote ="financialtimes"Firstly everything I said is fact, at the time of me typing it I was unaware tha 24 hours prior, axiom sent in documents regarding the EA concerns, however, that still doesn’t remove their concerns until they respond at the next scheduled planning meeting. Secondly, the 2 major companies that had originally committed to the JcT32 site have gone elsewhere, this puts some jeopardy in the development, but I agree it isn’t a 100% dealbreaker. Lastly, the funds get released when “Axiom” release them, the only thing that dictates the timing (as stated in the S106 agreement) is that they cannot start on the jct 32 development until they release the fund, so if they don’t want to start on it for 4 years (which I think but not sure is the statutory length of these stand) then they don’t have to release the monies for 4 years
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Read ad understood mate, I can only say that everything Axiom have said in communications on the matter is that they are desperate to start as soon as possible. Appreciate that you didn't know about the documents.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"Read ad understood mate, I can only say that everything Axiom have said in communications on the matter is that they are desperate to start as soon as possible. Appreciate that you didn't know about the documents.
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Nope.
The Eastwoods' submission of of 15th Sept is a begging letter saying "we can't do what they EA say we must do, so please ignore the environmental requirements".
As it stands the Cas development is screwed.
The developer has put in writing that they cannot fund the project at the level required.
You should also be aware that WMDC have made it clear to Cas that they cannot use the £2m in the way that Gratton has suggested in the press last week.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"Read ad understood mate, I can only say that everything Axiom have said in communications on the matter is that they are desperate to start as soon as possible. Appreciate that you didn't know about the documents.
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From the WMDC Planning Portal - submission from Eastwood's on behalf of the developer.:
"In order to raise finished floor levels above the maximum flood level should defences fail, approximately 1.5 m of raising would be required. This would result in the development failing to meet accessibility criteria and lead to an increase in flood risk elsewhere.
In addition, raising of finished floor levels would require the creation of new compensatory voids to accommodate the displaced volume of flooding. If this were to be included on the site it would result in the significant de-scoping of the major upgrades provided (such as removal of the training pitch, loss of car parking and removal of the fan zone) thereby undermining the principle of the proposals to provide upgraded stadium and training facilities. Having the fans seated at a higher level would undermine the intimate atmosphere of the historic stadium, one of the features it is famous and valued for.
Raising finished floor levels would also raise construction costs which have been carefully assessed to provide the maximum benefits and to meet the Superleague stadium criteria. Any increase in construction costs would mean that the other upgrades to the facilities would need to be descoped resulting in Wheldon Road failing to meet the required stadium standards. Raising of finished floor levels is therefore deemed unviable."
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| Quote ="PopTart"Made me feel good about our position.
I can't see them being above us in the IMG score without a lot of investment pretty quickly.'"
Been to a grand final though. That will count for something
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Been to a grand final though. That will count for something'"
You only get points for winning and it was too long ago anyway.
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| Saints have all the GF points sewn up from the top flight.
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| All clubs have a season to put together their plans including Castleford to gain enough points to get into or stay in SL. We like every other club know what is required therefore whatever the outcome is down entirely to whoever is running the club.
We have to accept that we were the worst team and deserve to be relegated and nothing going to change this. They will not be a 14 team SL next season and Castleford will not be demoted.
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| They need to get a move on.
At the moment, on a brief look through, they are looking at 9.5 points.
They lose out big time in finance and stadium.
They need to hit that minimum criteria in "Plan B" as they leave some serious points on the table with that.
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| Quote ="dboy"From the WMDC Planning Portal - submission from Eastwood's on behalf of the developer.:
"In order to raise finished floor levels above the maximum flood level should defences fail, approximately 1.5 m of raising would be required. This would result in the development failing to meet accessibility criteria and lead to an increase in flood risk elsewhere.
In addition, raising of finished floor levels would require the creation of new compensatory voids to accommodate the displaced volume of flooding. If this were to be included on the site it would result in the significant de-scoping of the major upgrades provided (such as removal of the training pitch, loss of car parking and removal of the fan zone) thereby undermining the principle of the proposals to provide upgraded stadium and training facilities. Having the fans seated at a higher level would undermine the intimate atmosphere of the historic stadium, one of the features it is famous and valued for.
Raising finished floor levels would also raise construction costs which have been carefully assessed to provide the maximum benefits and to meet the Superleague stadium criteria. Any increase in construction costs would mean that the other upgrades to the facilities would need to be descoped resulting in Wheldon Road failing to meet the required stadium standards. Raising of finished floor levels is therefore deemed unviable."'"
So are the.other documents submitted on the 14th in relation to the axiom development or the cas development?
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| Why not let CAS play on the Wakefield ground Just getting peeved of with the so called people in charge ( We all know they are so far up the so called big clubs backside) most play at a football ground even Magic Weekend is at a football ground .Just want nice grounds to show a false picture of the state of S L when on TV ,and they are going out of there way to make it easier for the big clubs to keep winning things ,and destroying the heart of the R L M62 corridors .Clubs should not lose S L because they have no big backed
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| Quote ="dboy"From the WMDC Planning Portal - submission from Eastwood's on behalf of the developer.:
"In order to raise finished floor levels above the maximum flood level should defences fail, approximately 1.5 m of raising would be required. This would result in the development failing to meet accessibility criteria and lead to an increase in flood risk elsewhere.
In addition, raising of finished floor levels would require the creation of new compensatory voids to accommodate the displaced volume of flooding. If this were to be included on the site it would result in the significant de-scoping of the major upgrades provided (such as removal of the training pitch, loss of car parking and removal of the fan zone) thereby undermining the principle of the proposals to provide upgraded stadium and training facilities. Having the fans seated at a higher level would undermine the intimate atmosphere of the historic stadium, one of the features it is famous and valued for.
Raising finished floor levels would also raise construction costs which have been carefully assessed to provide the maximum benefits and to meet the Superleague stadium criteria. Any increase in construction costs would mean that the other upgrades to the facilities would need to be descoped resulting in Wheldon Road failing to meet the required stadium standards. Raising of finished floor levels is therefore deemed unviable."'"
Did you see this on the last page of that report?
My guess is that, the redevelopment will go ahead.
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The proposed site has been shown to be capable of adequately accommodating all the floodplain storage provided in its current arrangement. This has been achieved by minor adjustments to the proposed 4g pitch
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| Hard right now to judge what our squad will look like next year.
Provided the takeover does go ahead, Ellis may have different ideas to coaching staff and players that our current mindset is at.
Also, I would think teams will be ahead of us in terms of recruitment for next year
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Did you see this on the last page of that report?
My guess is that, the redevelopment will go ahead.
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The proposed site has been shown to be capable of adequately accommodating all the floodplain storage provided in its current arrangement. This has been achieved by minor adjustments to the proposed 4g pitch'"
What was discussed in the face to face meeting they had will be key. If as i expect the EA now remove their objection and replace it with recommendations then i’d expect it to get waved through.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"What was discussed in the face to face meeting they had will be key. If as i expect the EA now remove their objection and replace it with recommendations then i’d expect it to get waved through.'"
Still a long way from this stage to having a working stadium/stand though surely?
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| I don't get the flooding risk. I worked across the road from the ground at Hickson chemicals up to retirement. A large part of the site is sandwiched between the river and the canal and it never flooded once. Any one who has visited the Jungle can't help but notice all the new homes that have been built less than 100 metres from the ground on School street and hundreds of luxury houses have been built almost right up to the rivers edge nearby so why is the ground development a flood risk when the houses got PP?
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| Quote ="alegend"Why not let CAS play on the Wakefield ground.'"
Put Cas, Feath and Wakey together, a suitable name for the three teams combined could be 'Trinity' and we could play at Belle View!
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| Quote ="PopTart"Still a long way from this stage to having a working stadium/stand though surely?'"
Well it won’t happen overnight but on the proviso that the Axiom site also gets the thumbs up then it won’t be as long as many on here are thinking. The delay has meant a couple of companies have looked elsewhere but i know there are other interested parties in the development and Axiom are very keen to get it started. And they can’t start it until the money for Wheldon Road is transferred, same as was the case for us. So once PP is approved on both sites then i expect things to start moving quite quickly. I am told Cas have already held talks with other sports clubs to move out for a year whilst the build happens which will likely speed up build time. Time will tell.
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Basically WR is in Flood Zone 3, contructing anything these days in here is hard and needs more robust mitigation than citing atmosphere and fan zones. This may have been discussed with the EA but when I've tried to reason with them in the past they are often black and white and very risk averse, even when presented with evidence that would show how a development mitigate any potential flooding issues by raising levels and providing compensatory storage.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Well it won’t happen overnight but on the proviso that the Axiom site also gets the thumbs up then it won’t be as long as many on here are thinking. The delay has meant a couple of companies have looked elsewhere but i know there are other interested parties in the development and Axiom are very keen to get it started. And they can’t start it until the money for Wheldon Road is transferred, same as was the case for us. So once PP is approved on both sites then i expect things to start moving quite quickly. I am told Cas have already held talks with other sports clubs to move out for a year whilst the build happens which will likely speed up build time. Time will tell.'"
They could come and play at ours.....for a price.
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| Quote ="PopTart"They need to get a move on.
At the moment, on a brief look through, they are looking at 9.5 points.
They lose out big time in finance and stadium.
They need to hit that minimum criteria in "Plan B" as they leave some serious points on the table with that.'"
Actually I did them a disservice. They get average crowds over 7500 so get an extra half point pushing them to about 10.
Still need to do the ground improvements but if they do it'll push them up to or past us.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"
Basically WR is in Flood Zone 3, contructing anything these days in here is hard and needs more robust mitigation than citing atmosphere and fan zones. This may have been discussed with the EA but when I've tried to reason with them in the past they are often black and white and very risk averse, even when presented with evidence that would show how a development mitigate any potential flooding issues by raising levels and providing compensatory storage.'"
Looks like you were right about EA
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"What was discussed in the face to face meeting they had will be key. If as i expect the EA now remove their objection and replace it with recommendations then i’d expect it to get waved through.'"
Well whatever they discussed it didn't work! Time wise they are probably screwed now to be honest.
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