Mash has that rare ability to make half decent players look/perform worse instead of better . I wasn’t one calling for his head from the start ,it was obvious he has a great affinity with the club , but in hindsight he should have stayed exactly where he was and kept that conveyor belt of youth coming through , because I see that as our future rather than the endless overpriced disappointments from down under . He openly stated at the meeting that if he didn’t think he was the man for the job he would step aside ,we’ll I’m afraid that time is overdue . We’ve been turned into a once proud club into the laughing stock of RL . We’ve survived the winding up orders the Pearman debacle and the Hussain madness ,to get to a point where the off field problems are coming to fruition,(stadium) to then be saddled with stat after stat as the bottom performing team ever since records began . I’m of the opinion that this season will be our last in super league , the get out of jail cards have been used up . Looking forwards as ever the optimist, going down will give us a long overdue clear out ,a new guy in charge who hopefully isn’t as stubborn or pigheaded as the last incumbent and has the gonads to do what’s right for the club and supporters ,who after all are the lifeblood of any team .

They most certainly aren’t but they aren’t helping the situation either by digging their heels in when it’s plain for all to see that our current coach at this present time Is not fit for purpose at this level . 12 games or so is long enough to realise it isn’t working and change has to happen . Simple facts are we can’t change the team as much as we’d like to ,so the well trodden path is to relieve the coach of his duties

The signs were there in pre season. Only friendlies but they give you a bit of an indication. Struggled against championship sides lost to a very weak Leeds side and got absolutely battered by hull and actually did better with a team full of youngsters on the field rather than the first team players. Worst side and worst coach in super league history I’m afraid. Sad to say I can’t see any changes forthcoming and we will just continue to dwindle our way into obscurity. For the CEO to say pre match that they’re basically planning for championship next season shows the level of ambition and fight left at this once great club. Absolutely scandalous yet they’re still asking for more support through the turnstiles! We have a poor fan base anyway and it’s getting smaller by the week. I used to look forward to games but now it’s a chore and I only go for my son and because we have season tickets.

The stats speak for themselves 0/12 and already and we're not even halfway through the season, we have the unenviable record of failing to score more times than ANY other side in SL history.
Our "attack" is utter garbage.

We managed to march Hull back up the field reasonably well but, in their 20, just nothing (ok 1 try and 2 drop outs).

It's getting harder and harder to go to home games, the frustration cant be good for anyone's health

I get the planning for every eventuality I really do ,especially in our current predicament, but by papering over the cracks and not being decisive , he is accentuating the problem every game we lose and so making our long stay in super league all the more likely to fail

The frustrating thing is that now - having dared to watch it - our stats in the 1st half [iattacking wise[/i were excellent!


......Until we got into their 10....


Reminded me of Dirty Leeds away tbh....
Oh for someone like a Pauli Pauli or Big Dave close to the line.....
I'm pretty sure we'd have score a few tries with someone of their size....
And that would have made the team confidence soar....
But then cue to abject defending......
"After you Claude" as the Hull players jogged over the try line........
Made a note in my diary - simply says Bo**ocks.

High fives and laughter on the balcony, high fives etc in the changing rooms, meanwhile, Tony Smith was drilling his instructions into his team.
Embarrassing and an insult to the word amateur. We’ve seen some crap down the years but this takes the biscuit ( or pie and peas).

We had Lineham shoot off his wing to tackle Mr Invisible, leaving a stroll in and then 2 tries where players were literally looking at each other, expecting someone else to make a tackle. You tackle him, no, you tackle him and then. Oops they've scored (again)
Lineham is pretty good going forward but, he doesn't have enough desire to defend, just what was he doing for their first try.
He saw something or somebody that wasn't there, it was bizarre.

I have to say in Lineham's defense, this was by far his best game for Wakefield.
They targeted him with high balls and he took them all under pressure. There was one attack where he had 3 coming at him at speed and he snuffed it out, with help from Dagger covering.

Dagger's defense kept us in the game for a long time. Much as I like Max, we'd have been 18 nil down without Dagger in the first half.

You can probably say that about a lot of the team for 90% of the game. They just seem to switch off periodically. I honestly don't get it. We attack their line. Make a small error but then sit there crying about it as they storm up field. It's not a one off, it's a consistent thing. No idea why.

What I don’t get is our ‘attack’ and game management.
Last night for instance we ran a kickable penalty we had when our chance of crossing their line was remote. Needless to say we fluffed that chance and 2 points we could have had.
We are no threat with ball in hand.
Gaskell and Langi are surely the slowest centres in SL and the Smitg/Lino partnership isn’t good enough.
Dagger pulled off some great tackles but he isn’t the threat in attack that Jowitt is.
All told, roll on September and put us out of our misery.
I can’t watch much more of that rubbish.

To be fair wrencat, I saw that player that he was looking to tackle too....
Mind you, I'd had a few by that point....

Yes I noticed the difference in the changing rooms on Sky TV. I hope some of the board do aswell. Pictures such those paint a thousand words about the difference in an experienced SL coach and an inexperienced one.

As a result Trinity start second half sluggish and allowing runs from dummy half whereas Hull are all fired up.

Did Proctor just play first 20 mins then just last 10 mins of match?

He just managed 10 minutes in the first half but was blowing after 5 not sure about the second.

so the cats out of the bag no money and championship bound.So no change of coach or new signings. Well thanks for saving us and your legacy will be killing us. Lets hope the stand and field bring in the projected revenue so we can at least pay the loan back. Maybe the football will be the main attraction next season,because the contempt you have shown the rl fans this season serving ths crap up and expecting them blindly to keep shelling out has been disgusting.

I think a lot have been patient due to Mash's reputation with the club but its clear now that we are not well coached. The players absolutely deserve their share of the criticism, but for the most part I think the effort is there. Most games we defend well for long periods, and have good field position. Problem is when we are camped in an opponents 20, we don't look like scoring. No speed, no structure, rarely a decent attacking kick. Squad is obviously not up to scratch, but a decent coach gets more out of this bunch. Not the man to lead us in the championship, if we can get rid now, I would. Ford is also clearly not the answer.

Also... why on earth he still selecting Proctor? Offers nothing, barely on the pitch and when he is constantly looks injured/tired.

Totally agree, it was very similar at Cas too.
We had enough ball, in the right areas on that ay, to win 3 or 4 games but, no idea what to do.
There is no apparent structure when we are in the opposition 20.
Every player is spread across the park, with no dummy runners and nobody coming back on an angle and this assumes that we complete the attacking set, which isn't often enough.

I've got a season ticket but stopped going a while back.

Looking forward to a fresh start under new management (if that does actually happen) though, clearly rather be in the top league than consigned to the lower divisions.

I'm with you on that Charlie.

I'm just not inspired by Carter. If we were losing but had an Accountant that was full of energy, optimism and open mindedness then you'd probably go for that and see some leadership - it's contagious I believe and maybe that's why the club is rotten. Even Uncle John Minards has gone quiet, who is an Accountant with some leadership and enthusiasm.

Carter's "my way or the highway" approach is tedious. The negativity is stifling. Criticism of the state is not allowed. Dissent is rewarded with banishment. The followers are now being told that the Championship is good, and that the Great East Stand will save us. Super League is bad, all of those fascist Chairmen who conspire against us, and those compcit at IMG. We don't need them. Let me show you this bright new beginning called the Championship. The water is warm down here.

People are beginning to believe...

Maybe 13 is the number Mash will fall on.

Is it about sending badly injured players to A&E instead of having adequate insurance to go private?

Surely those that believe him to be the messiah would expect him to heal the injured without the need for A&E.

There is no private cover that would replace A&E.
If you've broken your leg, you go to A&E.

When you need an op, you go private.

Ashurst? Doesn't seem too serious as he's expected to be conention to play next week. May be wrong but aren't insurance jobs appointments only and are unlikely to ge open at 10pm?

All injured would players go to A&E.....
Whether they play for Wakefield Trinity or Manchester City.

He dislocated and broke his finger.
If it was me I'd be on my death bed for weeks but he looks like they will put it back and strap it up. And take pain killers.

But personally I think he can miss the cup game.