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| To be fair to Pitts he apparently had his best game of the season against Saints and his stats seem to back that up, it would be harsh to drop him after that. Really not sure on Proctor though. He's put the effort in defensively without a doubt but he looks spent after 15 minutes and has offered nothing with the ball. Putting him in his natural position might help but to be honest i think he's past it i'm afraid. As my old grandad used to say, 'he's been a good 'un that lad but his legs have gone'. As for Mason i'm not convinced ability wise he's any better or worse than those already here to be honest. He's does though have some size about him which offeres a point of difference and will be useful but for me more importantly it gives the chance to take Eseh out of the firing line if needed. He's gone well and the kid is going to be a very good prop forward but we need to remember he is still only 19 and over exposure too soon could be detrimental to his development, especially playing in a struggling side. We still need to be careful with him for his own good as much as our own.
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| Could have Munster and clearly at 6 and 7 for us, but if our forwards are only doing only 50 odd metres a game what chance would they stand.
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| Think Pitts and Ashurst have really got stuck in this season and done well considering the stage their careers are at. Think they are both older than Proctor too.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"To be fair to Pitts he apparently had his best game of the season against Saints and his stats seem to back that up, it would be harsh to drop him after that. Really not sure on Proctor though. He's put the effort in defensively without a doubt but he looks spent after 15 minutes and has offered nothing with the ball. Putting him in his natural position might help but to be honest i think he's past it i'm afraid. As my old grandad used to say, 'he's been a good 'un that lad but his legs have gone'. As for Mason i'm not convinced ability wise he's any better or worse than those already here to be honest. He's does though have some size about him which offeres a point of difference and will be useful but for me more importantly it gives the chance to take Eseh out of the firing line if needed. He's gone well and the kid is going to be a very good prop forward but we need to remember he is still only 19 and over exposure too soon could be detrimental to his development, especially playing in a struggling side. We still need to be careful with him for his own good as much as our own.'"
Could probably spell Proctor with Pitts/Hewitt. Just trying to think how we can improve our attacking threat and go forward.
Good job by Pitts. If that’s the case then hopefully it can be backed up. Rotation on a short turn around isn’t a bad option though and their is options.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Could probably spell Proctor with Pitts/Hewitt. Just trying to think how we can improve our attacking threat and go forward.
Good job by Pitts. If that’s the case then hopefully it can be backed up. Rotation on a short turn around isn’t a bad option though and their is options.'"
For me if fit i'd probably aim to keep it tight early doors with a back row of Ashurst, Pitts & Crowther and go with Tanginoa off the bench for some impact. Applegarth didn't sound too sure Kelepi would be ready this week though and with hamstring injuries you don't really want to risk it if not 100%. If he doesn't make then i guess Proctor (if back) plays that role, short spells might get more out of him with the ball. Mash was the same with Bowden, back within the next couple of weeks i think it was. As big a game as it is them breaking down midway through it and then being out another 6 weeks would be curtains so only play them if fully fit.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"For me if fit i'd probably aim to keep it tight early doors with a back row of Ashurst, Pitts & Crowther and go with Tanginoa off the bench for some impact. Applegarth didn't sound too sure Kelepi would be ready this week though and with hamstring injuries you don't really want to risk it if not 100%. If he doesn't make then i guess Proctor (if back) plays that role, short spells might get more out of him with the ball. Mash was the same with Bowden, back within the next couple of weeks i think it was. As big a game as it is them breaking down midway through it and then being out another 6 weeks would be curtains so only play them if fully fit.'"
Can’t disagree with that. If we aren’t confident they can pull through they shouldn’t be risked.
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| I don’t know what combination of forwards we’ll use but the props especially need to step up.
Can’t think of a game were we haven’t been beaten in the pack.
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| Quote ="1315trinity"I don’t know what combination of forwards we’ll use but the props especially need to step up.
Can’t think of a game were we haven’t been beaten in the pack.'"
Salford away I believe we were more dominant but came out the wrong side.
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| No matter who plays for us we still lose this game , the key is McShane, if he doesn’t play we lose by 12 - 16 points , if he does we lose by 16 - 40 points . This is the same McShane who we let go and who went on to lead a team to Old Trafford and CC final . The Cas squad is so much stronger than ours in all departments .
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"No matter who plays for us we still lose this game , the key is McShane, if he doesn’t play we lose by 12 - 16 points , if he does we lose by 16 - 40 points . This is the same McShane who we let go and who went on to lead a team to Old Trafford and CC final . The Cas squad is so much stronger than ours in all departments .'"
McShane never wanted to be at Wakey but needed a club to get out of the championship. He was shipped out with a couple of other guys who weren't up for the fight and we were lucky enough to pick up Scott Moore.
He's done very well at Cas but he was uninterested whilst with us and the swap suited both him and more importantly us.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"No matter who plays for us we still lose this game , the key is McShane, if he doesn’t play we lose by 12 - 16 points , if he does we lose by 16 - 40 points . This is the same McShane who we let go and who went on to lead a team to Old Trafford and CC final . The Cas squad is so much stronger than ours in all departments .'"
I have zero faith we will win this game, can only see us getting Cas's season started. Miller will probably rip us apart just to rub it in.
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| Quote ="Schunter"I have zero faith we will win this game, can only see us getting Cas's season started. Miller will probably rip us apart just to rub it in.'"
Any body can rip us apart at present
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| Jeez you guys are happy people.
I'm not overly confident of a win but I'm not confident of a loss either.
And just as a win doesn't make us safe, a loss doesn't put us down.
We've struggled to score but so have Cas. We've been heavily beaten to zero and so have Cas.
We've got an inexperienced coach and so have Cas.
It isn't a given we'll lose. I'll be there supporting to give them any smidgen of faith in themselves.
If we lose I'll be depressed on the way home....but I'll be there the week after too.
I also believe in Santa and although people tell me I shouldn't, I get presents every year.
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| I would go with realists based on the evidence this season. I know we have been bad in the past but averaging 6 points a game does not generate a lot of optimism. I would hope the club get their act together for supporters like PT because to be honest currently they don’t.
I on the other hand have long since lost any faith in the decisions of those at the top, who quite frankly don’t deserve the supporters like PT who is probably considered rational on most matters except when it comes to Wakefield Trinity.
I really hope we show some spirit especially being on Sky because to many outside we are once again a club of derision and embarrassment and we the supporters don’t deserve this.
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| I agree.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I would go with realists based on the evidence this season. I know we have been bad in the past but averaging 6 points a game does not generate a lot of optimism. I would hope the club get their act together for supporters like PT because to be honest currently they don’t.
I on the other hand have long since lost any faith in the decisions of those at the top, who quite frankly don’t deserve the supporters like PT who is probably considered rational on most matters except when it comes to Wakefield Trinity.
I really hope we show some spirit especially being on Sky because to many outside we are once again a club of derision and embarrassment and we the supporters don’t deserve this.'"
It's funny that you don't think I'm rational.
All I've done is pointed out Cas are in the same position as us. And although we average 6 points, they are only scoring 9, and most coming through one game.
You are so keen to put Wakefield down that you can't see that.
They may turn it on and beat us, but there is no more evidence that they will as we will.
I'm happy to wait and see before deciding it's all over
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| With squad announced this would be my team
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| Castleford squad: Evalds, Eden, Turner, Fonua, Faraimo, Miller, Lawler, McShane, Griffin, Edwards, Mellor, Westerman, Massey, Broadbent, Vete, Mustapha, Smith, Matagi, Hookem, Qareqare, Johnson.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"derision and embarrassment and we the supporters don’t deserve this.'"
You are well deserved of all the derision that heads your way. Suck it up.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"You are well deserved of all the derision that heads your way. Suck it up.'"
I am actually sorry that you don’t actually realise the state we are in and how we are perceived in the rugby world. I guess you don’t mind the club being run down in the media but I do.
I am sure if we look back we will find posts suggesting the we are not wanted in SL by the RFL, well they couldn’t do it but this season it appears we will do it for them.
I guess it will be you having to suck it up unless our current strategy of covering up the failings of the squad at the start of the season by short term signings does not succeed.
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| One thing I am certain of is that Wilkin will be having a right pop at us. Let's hope we leave him stuttering for words after a win. However I think the chance of that happening is extremely unlikely.
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| As already said it’s a small pitch and it’s very important that Trinity dominate in the pack so I’d hope it’d be…
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"One thing I am certain of is that Wilkin will be having a right pop at us. Let's hope we leave him stuttering for words after a win. However I think the chance of that happening is extremely unlikely.'"
He’s like a turd that won’t flush is Wilkin, he was a mediocre player in a very good team and even worse commentator.
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