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| Well it means the number of times the facilities are used is increased just on match days alone meaning the stadium pitch will be in use all year great news as this will earn revenue. On top of this the rest of the facilities will be utilised a good number of times. Can only be a positive this
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| Really pleased about this. Long term it's the best outcome, I know I was hankering on about getting Leeds United reserves back, but they are settled elsewhere and as they would not be based here, probably NOT in the consideration for grants - I may be jumping the gun, wishful thinking etc but who knows - grants may be available?
If WAFC get settled and progress maybe a lot of football fans from Wakefield, who currently follow Leeds will switch allegiance to the home club?
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| I feel slightly sad and somewhat apprehensive. 10am 19/01/2023.
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| Quote ="1315trinity"Really pleased about this. Long term it's the best outcome, I know I was hankering on about getting Leeds United reserves back, but they are settled elsewhere and as they would not be based here, probably NOT in the consideration for grants - I may be jumping the gun, wishful thinking etc but who knows - grants may be available?
If WAFC get settled and progress maybe a lot of football fans from Wakefield, who currently follow Leeds will switch allegiance to the home club?'"
Not sure on this one.
YES when it comes to spreading the game, probably way better than anything the RFL can offer us, so maybe a bit of a cuckoo in the nest there, but thats literally decades off before becoming an issue.
As for the ground I'm doubtful. WAFC are renting, nothing more, They have no financial stake in BV, So as I see it the FA won't give grants that effectively belongs to another support, so NO to actual capitol spends on the stadiums structure. However there may be scope for other more peripheral stuff like medical equipment, gym equipment, IT, all stuff we could share, freeing up Trinity to concentrate on the ground,
Of course all this may change as time goes on and the clubs properly connect to hopefully go forward together. We shall see.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"I feel slightly sad and somewhat apprehensive. 10am 19/01/2023.'"
Sad is up to you, but why apprehensive. We are renting our ground out to a football minnow for three years, we've hardly given away our first born, bit over dramatic Wollo.
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| Quote ="vastman"Million miles off a joint venture. They are tenants nothing more. They own zilch. We are very much the masters and will remain so.
That said I think it’s hugely beneficial for both parties.'"
A joint venture doesn`t necessarily just relate to the ownership or tenancy situation of the stadium though, there are lots of things that both clubs can work together on for the mutual benefit of both clubs working out of the same space, therefore IMO it`s not a million miles off a what I would call a joint venture. Also, if there is an opportunity in the future for the Wakefield AFC to invest money into the facilities that we could only dream of, then there might be an agreement reached to see them become more than just a tenant or a sub tenant of Wakefield Trinity, I`m not for one second saying that we should ever give up the rights to be the main club with the final say on fixtures and control of premises etc (I don`t think MC or JM would ever let that happen) however there could be some form of agreement reached to meet in the middle ground somewhere.
Anyway, this is all future looking, for now I am happy to have them on board, I imagine with the football club having access to the ground and facilities for training etc that there agreement would cover a relatively significant % of the clubs mortgage payments to the council which is then money freed up to be used elsewhere.
This is the first real income stream (that would not have been available to us before) that we have been talking about with the build of the new facilities, and there not even finished yet! Nice to see these things that we have talked about for a long time come to fruition, well done to all involved.
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| Sounds like a win win to me. Could help both clubs to grow faster .
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| There will be the possible benefits through joint Depts and processes. For instance commercial and social media, the Community team promoting health and wellbeing. The summer camps etc maybe expanded and then the use of the stand facilities for meetings and functions etc.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"A joint venture doesn`t necessarily just relate to the ownership or tenancy situation of the stadium though, there are lots of things that both clubs can work together on for the mutual benefit of both clubs working out of the same space, therefore IMO it`s not a million miles off a what I would call a joint venture. Also, if there is an opportunity in the future for the Wakefield AFC to invest money into the facilities that we could only dream of, then there might be an agreement reached to see them become more than just a tenant or a sub tenant of Wakefield Trinity, I`m not for one second saying that we should ever give up the rights to be the main club with the final say on fixtures and control of premises etc (I don`t think MC or JM would ever let that happen) however there could be some form of agreement reached to meet in the middle ground somewhere.
Anyway, this is all future looking, for now I am happy to have them on board, I imagine with the football club having access to the ground and facilities for training etc that there agreement would cover a relatively significant % of the clubs mortgage payments to the council which is then money freed up to be used elsewhere.
This is the first real income stream (that would not have been available to us before) that we have been talking about with the build of the new facilities, and there not even finished yet! Nice to see these things that we have talked about for a long time come to fruition, well done to all involved.'"
Yes but at this point it’s not a joint venture, you’re getting ahead of yourself.
WAFC have to find out whether playing at BV is viable, that’s not a given. Let’s see how the next 3 years go and then we can look at joint ventures, for now it’s convenience imo.
The obvious joint venture is the stadium, but WAFC are currently in no position to pursue that. They need to establish themselves as a credible football club to start.
Minor collaborations for now imo.
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| Quote ="vastman"Yes but at this point it’s not a joint venture, you’re getting ahead of yourself.
WAFC have to find out whether playing at BV is viable, that’s not a given. Let’s see how the next 3 years go and then we can look at joint ventures, for now it’s convenience imo.
The obvious joint venture is the stadium, but WAFC are currently in no position to pursue that. They need to establish themselves as a credible football club to start.
Minor collaborations for now imo.'"
Correct.
Notwithstanding whatever the rental fee is, I'd suggest that a decent wedding booking would generate more income than a WAFC game right now, and we aren't suggesting we give shares to the Bride & Groom.
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| Quote ="dboy"Correct.
Notwithstanding whatever the rental fee is, I'd suggest that a decent wedding booking would generate more income than a WAFC game right now, and we aren't suggesting we give shares to the Bride & Groom.'"
If the Bride or groom are Trinity fans, perhaps they already have Shares
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| Quote ="dboy"Correct.
Notwithstanding whatever the rental fee is, I'd suggest that a decent wedding booking would generate more income than a WAFC game right now, and we aren't suggesting we give shares to the Bride & Groom.'"
Who`s suggesting we give shares to WAFC?
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Who`s suggesting we give shares to WAFC?'"
You.
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| Quote ="dboy"You.
[i"Also, if there is an opportunity in the future for the Wakefield AFC to invest money into the facilities that we could only dream of, then there might be an agreement reached to see them become more than just a tenant or a sub tenant of Wakefield Trinity"[/i'"
You quote my post but obviously have very poor comprehension skills.
Key words, "If" "opportunity" "future" "invest" "money", then you jump the gun and start talking about current attendances, which I don`t really see what that has to do with where they might be in 6/7/8 years time.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"You quote my post but obviously have very poor comprehension skills.
Key words, "If" "opportunity" "future" "invest" "money", then you jump the gun and start talking about current attendances, which I don`t really see what that has to do with where they might be in 6/7/8 years time.'"
Wouldn't waste your time pal, folk just take what they want from posts on here without actually understanding what's been said.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"You quote my post but obviously have very poor comprehension skills.
Key words, "If" "opportunity" "future" "invest" "money", then you jump the gun and start talking about current attendances, which I don`t really see what that has to do with where they might be in 6/7/8 years time.'"
OK, you can explain.
"When/if" don't change the premise of what you posted.
If this "there might be an agreement reached to see them become more than just a tenant or a sub tenant of Wakefield Trinity", doesn't mean a formal share agreement, what could it mean?
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| Quote ="TimmySmith"Wouldn't waste your time pal, folk just take what they want from posts on here without actually understanding what's been said.'"
Oh the irony, pal
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| Quote ="dboy"OK, you can explain.
"When/if" don't change the premise of what you posted.
If this "there might be an agreement reached to see them become more than just a tenant or a sub tenant of Wakefield Trinity", doesn't mean a formal share agreement, what could it mean?'"
I`m afraid I can`t help you any further, you`ve taken what was a sensible comment about what the future "could" potentially bring if they can match there ambition in the mid terms into something in your own head, it`s just bizarre, as I say in my post it`s future looking.
Of course when/if changes what the context of it. It`s like me saying I could see us competing to win SL in the next 7/8 years if we get the right level of investment etc then you ignoring everything but "winning SL" turning around and saying "We won`t win SL next year" well that`s not what I said is it?
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| Nobody seems to have mentioned the possibility of a good FA cup run for WAFC, as Emley did against West Ham a few years ago, and big name clubs playing ties down here therefore swelling the coffers somewhat.
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| Quote ="Redscat"Nobody seems to have mentioned the possibility of a good FA cup run for WAFC, as Emley did against West Ham a few years ago, and big name clubs playing ties down here therefore swelling the coffers somewhat.'"
Well you made up for that.....
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| I've no idea of anything financial re the club, but we have a mortgage to pay. If this pays it, makes it all make sense.
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| Quote ="Redscat"Nobody seems to have mentioned the possibility of a good FA cup run for WAFC, as Emley did against West Ham a few years ago, and big name clubs playing ties down here therefore swelling the coffers somewhat.'"
i think I've seen a few posts about this subject
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I think I did on some post or other but yes you are right.
The beauty for both clubs is that the match would be played at BV. They would have home advantage, ticket sales etc and we’d sell all the pints and pies.
I suppose Fev offers the same apart from the pitch but you get the idea.
For a club like Trinity the issue is cash flow, always has been and TBF that applies to most clubs. If we can even that out even moderately it will help hugely. Especially when working out contracts.
I don’t want to get carried away it’s not yet what some are thinking. WAFC are a tadpole even compared to us, there is no partnership as it would be too one sided to work just yet. However they do seem to fit for now.
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