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| Quote ="vastman"Agreed but also should it all go smoothly, a nod of appreciation to the new regime at the council.
This simply would not have happened under Box, whose treachery towards the sporting public of Wakefield was a scandal.
Just goes to show what a supportive council can help to achieve. Had this lot been in charge ten years ago we’d have been playing out of NM for years now. Ditto Cas and to a lesser degree Fev would be in a far stronger position.
All three would be in SL and I reckon we’d be up there chasing honours.
It’s very unusual in life to say this but only one man is to blame and that’s Box.[u Sure Walker and YC did their worst but it was the job of Box to make sure they didn’t and in this his key roll he failed miserably.[/u
I do hope in time he’s caught out and expunged from the record, horrible man imho.'"
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| Quote ="chissitt"Didn't that Yvette Cooper play a part as well?'"
She did and a few others but none were as determined for us to fail than Box.
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| Quote ="vastman"She did and a few others but none were as determined for us to fail than Box.
To this day I don’t totally get his motivation or not in a way I can post without it being libellous
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Don't be too hasty with the praise of the new leadership, vasty. Remember that the current incumbent. Ms Jeffrey, was a protege and close ally of Peter Box and represents a Castleford ward, I believe, as did her predecessor. Fingers crossed that this time it WILL happen. |
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| Quote ="Redscat"Don't be too hasty with the praise of the new leadership, vasty. Remember that the current incumbent. Ms Jeffrey, was a protege and close ally of Peter Box and represents a Castleford ward, I believe, as did her predecessor. Fingers crossed that this time it WILL happen.'"
I don't want to sound ungrateful, particularly as I'm not a Wakefield council tax payer, but I can't shake this feeling that the £2 million offered per club wouldn't have happened if Cas were in their new ground. Weird that Cas get access to some upgrade cash just when Wakey are getting our stadium on the way to being sorted.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I don't want to sound ungrateful, particularly as I'm not a Wakefield council tax payer, but I can't shake this feeling that the £2 million offered per club wouldn't have happened if Cas were in their new ground. Weird that Cas get access to some upgrade cash just when Wakey are getting our stadium on the way to being sorted.
Or am I being too cynical?'"
no your not you can also add to it as a sweetener too for the cock up they made with the Newmarket fiasco |
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I don't want to sound ungrateful, particularly as I'm not a Wakefield council tax payer, but I can't shake this feeling that the £2 million offered per club wouldn't have happened if Cas were in their new ground. Weird that Cas get access to some upgrade cash just when Wakey are getting our stadium on the way to being sorted.
Or am I being too cynical?'"
I think it's a little bit the other way round.
It was common knowledge that WMDC had committed £2m to Trinity's development (I seem to remember it as drawing a loan against a WMDC asset e.g. a land parcel, or similar).
When Fev and Cas, perhaps rightly, made a bit of a fuss (and they did, privately, to WMDC), the council have 2 options:
1 withdraw the offer
2 find a a way to make the same offer to all 3 clubs.
It's absolutely right that WMDC (and the local taxpayer), should see what it is they are getting fir their community for the £2m. |
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| Quote ="Redscat"Don't be too hasty with the praise of the new leadership, vasty. Remember that the current incumbent. Ms Jeffrey, was a protege and close ally of Peter Box and represents a Castleford ward, I believe, as did her predecessor. Fingers crossed that this time it WILL happen.'"
I’ve met both, often.
Ones a politician and the other was whatever Box was.
However, I always felt Jeffrey wanted to do something even as far back as 2008 and tbf it seems she has. I'd go as far as to say it was her vanity project like the Hepworth was to Box. She was the driving force behind Thornes until Box pulled the rug, It's not my job to defend her but I can only go on what I saw.
Being a protege means nothing in politics as you know, Major was a Thatcher protege but was probably the nearest this country has ever got to a centrist PM. Look at Russia, the leader after Stalin immediately denounced him and Niki was his right haunt man.
You just can’t judge, it’s in the doing for me.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I don't want to sound ungrateful, particularly as I'm not a Wakefield council tax payer, but I can't shake this feeling that the £2 million offered per club wouldn't have happened if Cas were in their new ground. Weird that Cas get access to some upgrade cash just when Wakey are getting our stadium on the way to being sorted.
Or am I being too cynical?'"
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| Quote ="dboy"I think it's a little bit the other way round.
It was common knowledge that WMDC had committed £2m to Trinity's development (I seem to remember it as drawing a loan against a WMDC asset e.g. a land parcel, or similar).
When Fev and Cas, perhaps rightly, made a bit of a fuss (and they did, privately, to WMDC), the council have 2 options:
1 withdraw the offer
2 find a a way to make the same offer to all 3 clubs.
It's absolutely right that WMDC (and the local taxpayer), should see what it is they are getting fir their community for the £2m.'"
It is and it isn’t. WMDC had far more of an obligation to Trinity than the others because they screwed up NM.
I’d suggest they couldn’t remove the 2 million from us for fear of legal action. Politically they had to support the others, nothing more imho.
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Just returned from Friday Lunch, Connor interview with big Dave and Lee Gaskell, followed after lunch by JM speaking mainly about the redevelopment. Still on for December 16 planning application, should be online for anyone wanting to watch. A decision on both applications expected same day, and if passed with a recommendation to proceed, there is a three week period when the SoS can intervene if necessary, that takes us to mid December. There will be further contracts discussions between Wakefield council, Trinity and the developers and no work on the plot 8 site until all contracts agreed and signed. The Monies raised by enabling fund and council grant, will be paid into a Council account JM estimates this will take a number of weeks therefore the East stand will still be in use February and March match days,, but we should expect bulldozers on-site by April, A 12 month build expected, so hopefully, the new stand ready by mid 2023. The west terrace is still being considered for redevelopment, but not in the immediate future. Obviously there’s no guarantees, but JM is confident this will now happen.
I hope I’ve got this all correct, but anyone who was at today’s lunch, please feel free to correct me.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Just returned from Friday Lunch, Connor interview with big Dave and Lee Gaskell, followed after lunch by JM speaking mainly about the redevelopment. Still on for December 16 planning application, should be online for anyone wanting to watch. A decision on both applications expected same day, and if passed with a recommendation to proceed, there is a three week period when the SoS can intervene if necessary, that takes us to mid December. There will be further contracts discussions between Wakefield council, Trinity and the developers and no work on the plot 8 site until all contracts agreed and signed. The Monies raised by enabling fund and council grant, will be paid into a Council account JM estimates this will take a number of weeks therefore the East stand will still be in use February and March match days,, but we should expect bulldozers on-site by April, A 12 month build expected, so hopefully, the new stand ready by mid 2023. The west terrace is still being considered for redevelopment, but not in the immediate future. Obviously there’s no guarantees, but JM is confident this will now happen.
I hope I’ve got this all correct, but anyone who was at today’s lunch, please feel free to correct me.'"
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| Quote ="wakeytrin"Just one correction it will take us to mid January, not December. Otherwise a good review of JM comments.'"
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| Quote ="vastman"I’ve met both, often.
Ones a politician and the other was whatever Box was.
However, I always felt Jeffrey wanted to do something even as far back as 2008 and tbf it seems she has. I'd go as far as to say it was her vanity project like the Hepworth was to Box. She was the driving force behind Thornes until Box pulled the rug, It's not my job to defend her but I can only go on what I saw.
Being a protege means nothing in politics as you know, Major was a Thatcher protege but was probably the nearest this country has ever got to a centrist PM. Look at Russia, the leader after Stalin immediately denounced him and Niki was his right haunt man.
You just can’t judge, it’s in the doing for me.
The verdict will come this time next year when the bulk of the work should be done.'"
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Me neither, this is it.
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| Quote ="wakeytrin"Just one correction it will take us to mid January, not December. Otherwise a good review of JM comments.'"
Something I forgot to mention that JM spoke about when asked about the 4G pitch. He seemed a bit ambiguous in his reply, I got the feeling the decision between plastic and grass has not yet been finalised, but the pitch will only be sorted, after the East Stand/North Stand building work is completed. |
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Strange as that formed quite a big piece in the business case I thought. Grass is preferential to me but its also limiting, but that said I'd rather the cost go into the stands if it ever became an either or. |
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On one document (the statement of community involvement) in the resubmission pack it states due to the pandemic 4 things that have been scaled back due to covid/finances. This includes hybrid pitch now to be a 4G pitch. This may be why he didn’t fully commit to what the playing surface will be? Aswell as stating 400 covers in hospitality down to 300 covers, wrestle room now funded by the club, and gym facilities done at a later phase and when finding available
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| Quote ="WakiWildcats"On one document (the statement of community involvement) in the resubmission pack it states due to the pandemic 4 things that have been scaled back due to covid/finances. This includes hybrid pitch now to be a 4G pitch. This may be why he didn’t fully commit to what the playing surface will be? Aswell as stating 400 covers in hospitality down to 300 covers, wrestle room now funded by the club, and gym facilities done at a later phase and when finding available'"
Yes, a lot has changed since the initial reports almost 2 years ago. JM mentioned a figure of £12 million at the Friday lunch, just shows how much building costs and materials have risen in 2 years.
Extract from Social Value Report produced by SLC, Consultants, February 2020
Grass Pitch with floodlights
Full size hybrid1 floodlit grass pitch to fully comply with super league requirements and be available outside of club use for community use.
Wrestle Room2
To meet club requirements and be available for limited community use by community clubs (martial arts, wrestling etcicon_wink.gif
Strength and Conditioning Gym Facility3
To meet club requirements and be available for membership and casual use, based community use facility offering a unique Strength and Conditioning offer.
Group Exercise
2 x Group exercise studios (30 class size each with the ability to create one large studio space)
Hospitality, Conferencing and Events
Ability to cater for up to 400 covers4 on a match day and to provide opportunities for
Since this report was produced, and in the light of the Covid pandemic and its impact on the availability of funding from WMDC, the ambition of the redevelopment has been scaled back as described in the notes below.
1 Now intended as 4G surface. Minimal impact of future uses
2 Now completed at the Club’s expense
3 May be delayed until subsequent phase, subject to determination of level of S106 funding
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| Quote ="cosmicat"Thought trinity were paying for the pitch anyway?'"
They are from what I’m told but it’s all part of the same re-development.
The problem here is that JM is asked on numerous occasion to answer questions regarding the stadium and it’s tricky to be consistent as the points being answered vary so much.
Not sure where the hybrid to 4G came from.
What I think he’s saying is that the clubs ability to install the pitch will depend on revenue. I suspect he was talking just after the Omnicron version of Covid was announce and feared another lock down. Thankfully that fear now seems groundless.
It’s hard at the moment to be certain about anything which is why I personally haven’t bugged JM or any of my other contacts. Let’s just hope planning actually happens on the 16th and gets past.
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Looks like the planning meeting is actually going ahead.
This link citizen.wakefield.gov.uk/cabinet ... l-meeting/ Should take you to the meeting streaming service on the day
Kev W60349 has started another thread, but I’m just keeping this one updated.
Dear Sir/Madam
Date:
Service Director for Planning, Transportation and Strategic Highways Bronwen Knight Wakefield One PO Box 700 Burton Street Wakefield WF1 2EB Typetalk calls welcome
08 December 2021
CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATION AT PLANNING AND HIGHWAYS COMMITTEE
LOCATION: PROPOSAL:
Belle Vue Stadium, Doncaster Road, Wakefield, WF1 5EY
Redevelopment of existing stadium comprising: demolition of existing east stand and replacement with 2-storey stand with 2,507 seated capacity and associated facilities, internal refurbishment of the Rollin Shack to provide additional facilities including gym, surfacing of car park, provision of fan zone, resurfacing of the pitch, upgrade to the existing floodlights, permanent electronic display screen and re-surfacing of existing north stand.
I am writing to advise you that the above planning application will be considered at the Planning and Highways Committee on 16th December 2021 commencing at 10am at the County Hall, Bond St, Wakefield, WF1 2QW
Members of the public and applicants (or their agents), are able to speak at Planning and Highways Committee Meetings. Normally one person representing objectors will be allowed to speak for three minutes. The applicant, agent, or one person supporting the application, will also be able to speak for three minutes, and an elected councillor for the applicable ward area. The time limits and number of individuals allowed to speak will be varied only in exceptional circumstances, at the discretion of the Chair. Please note that, in the case of petitions, the petition organiser (if known) or the first petition signatory will be notified by this letter and not those people signing the petition.
Due to the need to maintain social distancing and the restricted space available in the Council Chamber, there is only limited space to allow the registered participants (speakers), the public and a press officer to physically attend the meeting as well as the Councillors and supporting Council Officers.
Therefore if you are not registered to take an active part in the meeting then you should view the meeting online using the link provided overleaf, as it is highly unlikely that you will be allowed to enter the room to observe the meeting in person. If you do wish to physically attend to watch the meeting, you should contact a member of our support team on 07341 788229 or reply to this email; however, as stated above, there is only limited space for the public, and this will be allocated on a first come first serve basis.
The meeting will be broadcast live on the internet. A link to the meetings stream will be available on the meeting agenda and through the Council’s website;
( citizen.wakefield.gov.uk/cabinet ... l-meeting/).
Should you wish to register to speak at the meeting, please could you contact a member
of our Support Team on 07341 788229 or reply to this email.
To assist with the administration process, you must contact us no later than 12 noon two working days before the meeting. Further guidance will be provided to registered speakers.
If you do not register or contact us prior to this deadline, then you will not be allowed to speak – the Chair has discretion in this matter where special circumstances have been demonstrated and accepted
You do not need to reply to this letter or submit any further written representations.
You can view the Agenda and Reports online at:
mg.wakefield.gov.uk/ieListMeetin ... tteeId=308
Kind Regards
Development Management
Planning Services Wakefield Council |
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Looks like the planning meeting is actually going ahead.
This link citizen.wakefield.gov.uk/cabinet ... l-meeting/ Should take you to the meeting streaming service on the day
Kev W60349 has started another thread, but I’m just keeping this one updated.
Dear Sir/Madam
Date:
Service Director for Planning, Transportation and Strategic Highways Bronwen Knight Wakefield One PO Box 700 Burton Street Wakefield WF1 2EB Typetalk calls welcome
08 December 2021
CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATION AT PLANNING AND HIGHWAYS COMMITTEE
LOCATION: PROPOSAL:
Belle Vue Stadium, Doncaster Road, Wakefield, WF1 5EY
Redevelopment of existing stadium comprising: demolition of existing east stand and replacement with 2-storey stand with 2,507 seated capacity and associated facilities, internal refurbishment of the Rollin Shack to provide additional facilities including gym, surfacing of car park, provision of fan zone, resurfacing of the pitch, upgrade to the existing floodlights, permanent electronic display screen and re-surfacing of existing north stand.
I am writing to advise you that the above planning application will be considered at the Planning and Highways Committee on 16th December 2021 commencing at 10am at the County Hall, Bond St, Wakefield, WF1 2QW
Members of the public and applicants (or their agents), are able to speak at Planning and Highways Committee Meetings. Normally one person representing objectors will be allowed to speak for three minutes. The applicant, agent, or one person supporting the application, will also be able to speak for three minutes, and an elected councillor for the applicable ward area. The time limits and number of individuals allowed to speak will be varied only in exceptional circumstances, at the discretion of the Chair. Please note that, in the case of petitions, the petition organiser (if known) or the first petition signatory will be notified by this letter and not those people signing the petition.
Due to the need to maintain social distancing and the restricted space available in the Council Chamber, there is only limited space to allow the registered participants (speakers), the public and a press officer to physically attend the meeting as well as the Councillors and supporting Council Officers.
Therefore if you are not registered to take an active part in the meeting then you should view the meeting online using the link provided overleaf, as it is highly unlikely that you will be allowed to enter the room to observe the meeting in person. If you do wish to physically attend to watch the meeting, you should contact a member of our support team on 07341 788229 or reply to this email; however, as stated above, there is only limited space for the public, and this will be allocated on a first come first serve basis.
The meeting will be broadcast live on the internet. A link to the meetings stream will be available on the meeting agenda and through the Council’s website;
( citizen.wakefield.gov.uk/cabinet ... l-meeting/).
Should you wish to register to speak at the meeting, please could you contact a member
of our Support Team on 07341 788229 or reply to this email.
To assist with the administration process, you must contact us no later than 12 noon two working days before the meeting. Further guidance will be provided to registered speakers.
If you do not register or contact us prior to this deadline, then you will not be allowed to speak – the Chair has discretion in this matter where special circumstances have been demonstrated and accepted
You do not need to reply to this letter or submit any further written representations.
You can view the Agenda and Reports online at:
mg.wakefield.gov.uk/ieListMeetin ... tteeId=308
Kind Regards
Development Management
Planning Services Wakefield Council | |
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Was it planned to have a café opening every day?
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